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My own battery store and battery repair shop: ( Goodboybattery
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DaLanMan
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Oh we can order them, but getting batteries shipped is a nightmare, we can get Lead Acid from the local costco, for lithium units, you either have to go to Bass Pro (they sometimes have them I am told) or up to Sacramento which is like 100ish miles out.
What I can't get into my own head is how I'm going to start
We have all heard about a dude starting a hobby in his garage and then from there find some people alike and then bam having a place.
Number one - The place: The location, location, location so to say a place. I can't have it in my wardrobe, office, atic or cellar so it must be somewhere else.
Number two: I need more time so I really need help with sharing cost and workload because my guess is it will be the goldrush when the jobs start coming in even though I have a plan to counter attack that.
We have all heard about a dude starting a hobby in his garage and then from there find some people alike and then bam having a place.
Number one - The place: The location, location, location so to say a place. I can't have it in my wardrobe, office, atic or cellar so it must be somewhere else.
Number two: I need more time so I really need help with sharing cost and workload because my guess is it will be the goldrush when the jobs start coming in even though I have a plan to counter attack that.
DaLanMan
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::blinks::
I hate having to be adult..
ok, Biz 101.
Find your niche, the deeper your niche market is, the less foot traffic exposure you need.
I mean yeah, it would be awesome to have a wee bike shop on the side of a well used trail in the middle of nowhere, but it all depends on what you are looking for. A cool hobby almost sometimes kinda pays for itself, or a money making venture.
If you are selling tobacco products (ok, now a days this is a less stable example) you had to be up front with signage and be preferably in a locale that has an anchor attraction to bring additional new clientelle in. There is an associated cost per person, The primary metric used in marketing is "Cost per eyeball" It can be stated any way you want, but this is the measurement that marketing companies use to validate their bills.
In a bike shop, again you need to have just lifelong local exposure, or dedicated translational exposure.. Either you need to be in a mall with guaranteed foot traffic, or next to a shop that has non-competitive product, but does have the same basal market space.
The example I generally use is a place selling riding gear next to a motorcycle shop. Yeah that shop is going to lose a smidge of it's sales volume because non-associated stuff will attract the people they want. Whereas a bad idea would be a tobacco store next to a gas station. If your discount is not deep enough, they will not walk across the parking lot to you. And if your profit line is so slim that you can get them to walk over You probably are not marketing your merchandise for strong long term proposal (in other words sell it too close, and there is no covering the bills, much less the owner sanctity
Bike shops.. Honestly I never looked at them as a market venture, Chalo will certainly have a better grasp of the business, it is what he does. I am just a dork that went to Haas.
The Battery thing... Batteries+ and the other battery store that sounds the same neither one of them does much market research for their franchisees or they simply don't care because the number of failed locations I read somewhere was like 8-1 Wherein most the shops fail ou t in under 3 years. I only know because my current career ended up with me doing a lot of interaction with battery vendors etc. I met the original owner of the local franchise who had a *LOT* of anger at the whole thing I can't say, I will say thie is what lead me to looking at how these weird specialty shops stay alive. It is certainly not a community destination.
History of the Battery store in Tracy, Ca (as I heard it) the shop had an original franchisee running it, did very well for himself lots and lots of trucks and boats, the backbone of the battery world) he was also willing to take on anything, so he also set up and rigged an overhead boom truck so he could do in the field installations on Forklifts and such... Hard core go-getter..... He retired in I am told the 90's and someone (not sure whom) took over the shop and proceeded to demand that all business take place *IN* his location, no more drop ship options, no field repair.. Hell I am told he refused to even look in boats. This lead to him losing a lot of that hard won business/clientele
This was evidently then a decade long money losing situation til owner 3 got in, and his solution to the poor income.. he reduced stock on hand by like 80ish percent, when I saw it I was impressed that it said battery store nad had less than I had seen at Waly world.
There was a guy last year wanting to buy the franchise but Not sure what became of him, he had the budget for it htough..
SO there is a bit of how to look at your business.
If you are *just* wanting to look into ebike batteries.. Uhm.. odds are really low for your success.
Inventory management is going to be your best friend and worst nightmare. People do not go to Spatula city hoping to find a lovely carving set, boss if you oddly have one, but that is fringe business, smalls that will support the greater section of your counter space. but it will not benefit you if it takes more than a small fraction of your time.
If you are looking to build/assemble battery units I guarantee that they are under the evil eye right now, and no min-mall ettte would want anything to do with you.. unless of curse they *also* had a battery they really did not want to have to wait for...
In this case you are the entrepreneur you have to figure out how you are facing this *short" list that is already too long.
Last tidbit that I noticed recently... There are now multiple business' offering fetch and tarry service (they come pick up the vehicle or battery and take it elsewhere for repairs) I assume it is the buyers issue to figure out retains if they want the car in less that completely totaled condition.
I highly suggest you find a jr College and literally take business 101. I hope the Prof you find is as good as mine. I am still quoting him 30 years later.
I see it as a very high potential business, if you stick to your guns and refuse to be enticed by the "we can build it cheaper) mentalities. Do *NOT* sell cheap, as a small busines the old adage is incredibly important:: You can have Cheap, Fast or Good, Choose 2. If you are going into the cheap side, you have already lost, You have ZERO potential of success. You can *NOT* compete with Amazon and Hell, Wally world. They will take your lunch and eat it in front of you.
And, more to the point. You might make a few bucks burning the tourists. the casual person who should *NOT* be considered a cyclist. these are not people that shaved their head to get another .002 on their 500 so they might get an Olympic 2nds placement. That is also *NOT* your audience those people by the time they are ready to purchase tens of thousands of miles are being re-opened for conservation, Not sure I like the idea of a 2nd or 16th mountain capping leading to inevitable toxins release... But I believe that people can do the right thing too.
I just don't hold my breathe waiting on it.
Might well be your first "office" is a Sprinter... Or talk to the builders here. I imagine it would be really awesome if you could make a trailer fit a bike... and that wherevver you are doing this has NO hills.. not even little ones.
Ok, I have burned my typing budget for a while. and I smell ham...
I hate having to be adult..
ok, Biz 101.
Find your niche, the deeper your niche market is, the less foot traffic exposure you need.
I mean yeah, it would be awesome to have a wee bike shop on the side of a well used trail in the middle of nowhere, but it all depends on what you are looking for. A cool hobby almost sometimes kinda pays for itself, or a money making venture.
If you are selling tobacco products (ok, now a days this is a less stable example) you had to be up front with signage and be preferably in a locale that has an anchor attraction to bring additional new clientelle in. There is an associated cost per person, The primary metric used in marketing is "Cost per eyeball" It can be stated any way you want, but this is the measurement that marketing companies use to validate their bills.
In a bike shop, again you need to have just lifelong local exposure, or dedicated translational exposure.. Either you need to be in a mall with guaranteed foot traffic, or next to a shop that has non-competitive product, but does have the same basal market space.
The example I generally use is a place selling riding gear next to a motorcycle shop. Yeah that shop is going to lose a smidge of it's sales volume because non-associated stuff will attract the people they want. Whereas a bad idea would be a tobacco store next to a gas station. If your discount is not deep enough, they will not walk across the parking lot to you. And if your profit line is so slim that you can get them to walk over You probably are not marketing your merchandise for strong long term proposal (in other words sell it too close, and there is no covering the bills, much less the owner sanctity
Bike shops.. Honestly I never looked at them as a market venture, Chalo will certainly have a better grasp of the business, it is what he does. I am just a dork that went to Haas.
The Battery thing... Batteries+ and the other battery store that sounds the same neither one of them does much market research for their franchisees or they simply don't care because the number of failed locations I read somewhere was like 8-1 Wherein most the shops fail ou t in under 3 years. I only know because my current career ended up with me doing a lot of interaction with battery vendors etc. I met the original owner of the local franchise who had a *LOT* of anger at the whole thing I can't say, I will say thie is what lead me to looking at how these weird specialty shops stay alive. It is certainly not a community destination.
History of the Battery store in Tracy, Ca (as I heard it) the shop had an original franchisee running it, did very well for himself lots and lots of trucks and boats, the backbone of the battery world) he was also willing to take on anything, so he also set up and rigged an overhead boom truck so he could do in the field installations on Forklifts and such... Hard core go-getter..... He retired in I am told the 90's and someone (not sure whom) took over the shop and proceeded to demand that all business take place *IN* his location, no more drop ship options, no field repair.. Hell I am told he refused to even look in boats. This lead to him losing a lot of that hard won business/clientele
This was evidently then a decade long money losing situation til owner 3 got in, and his solution to the poor income.. he reduced stock on hand by like 80ish percent, when I saw it I was impressed that it said battery store nad had less than I had seen at Waly world.
There was a guy last year wanting to buy the franchise but Not sure what became of him, he had the budget for it htough..
SO there is a bit of how to look at your business.
If you are *just* wanting to look into ebike batteries.. Uhm.. odds are really low for your success.
Inventory management is going to be your best friend and worst nightmare. People do not go to Spatula city hoping to find a lovely carving set, boss if you oddly have one, but that is fringe business, smalls that will support the greater section of your counter space. but it will not benefit you if it takes more than a small fraction of your time.
If you are looking to build/assemble battery units I guarantee that they are under the evil eye right now, and no min-mall ettte would want anything to do with you.. unless of curse they *also* had a battery they really did not want to have to wait for...
In this case you are the entrepreneur you have to figure out how you are facing this *short" list that is already too long.
Last tidbit that I noticed recently... There are now multiple business' offering fetch and tarry service (they come pick up the vehicle or battery and take it elsewhere for repairs) I assume it is the buyers issue to figure out retains if they want the car in less that completely totaled condition.
I highly suggest you find a jr College and literally take business 101. I hope the Prof you find is as good as mine. I am still quoting him 30 years later.
I see it as a very high potential business, if you stick to your guns and refuse to be enticed by the "we can build it cheaper) mentalities. Do *NOT* sell cheap, as a small busines the old adage is incredibly important:: You can have Cheap, Fast or Good, Choose 2. If you are going into the cheap side, you have already lost, You have ZERO potential of success. You can *NOT* compete with Amazon and Hell, Wally world. They will take your lunch and eat it in front of you.
And, more to the point. You might make a few bucks burning the tourists. the casual person who should *NOT* be considered a cyclist. these are not people that shaved their head to get another .002 on their 500 so they might get an Olympic 2nds placement. That is also *NOT* your audience those people by the time they are ready to purchase tens of thousands of miles are being re-opened for conservation, Not sure I like the idea of a 2nd or 16th mountain capping leading to inevitable toxins release... But I believe that people can do the right thing too.
I just don't hold my breathe waiting on it.
Might well be your first "office" is a Sprinter... Or talk to the builders here. I imagine it would be really awesome if you could make a trailer fit a bike... and that wherevver you are doing this has NO hills.. not even little ones.
Ok, I have burned my typing budget for a while. and I smell ham...
Thanks
Much wisdom in your words.I get your points.
Information is this
10 batteries build and sold
Profit is also after wages put into building cost. Like 50$ per hour
3000$
Remove 5% as miscellaneous costs. Safety and other.
Research -100$ monthly average
Extra backup tools -150$
Some lines are oneliners
Profit: 2600$
10 batteries build and sold
Profit is also after wages put into building cost. Like 50$ per hour
3000$
Remove 5% as miscellaneous costs. Safety and other.
Research -100$ monthly average
Extra backup tools -150$
Some lines are oneliners
Profit: 2600$
DaLanMan
10 kW
Rent, utilities insurance, (so you can you know, run the business) Fixed expenses generally run about 2.25/sqft depending on your locale, there is of course all the stuff on the business rental location, that I can't even guess at, and the 2.25 is a pre - covid number so might be utter crap at this point, but you are gonna need between 650 and 1200 sqft for your business at a minimum, some kind of counter is usually a good idea as well.
So you are looking at needing work benches, tools, I have no idea what that list would look like, I have had most of mine for a long long time, so no clue what the punch list for a work bench would be, you might as AmberWolf the wizard of the search engine if they can look for any links for you (I tried, and failed, again to get a useful result)
then you have the harder items, for example you will absolutely want a top of the line spot welder...
I think my battery station misc stuff (shrink wrap, insulative paper, proper acid control sheets, etc) ran me about 200 bucks but I was not hunting for pricing, I just hopped on-line and ordered what seemed like a good idea, but I have some impulse control issues so it might be total overkill.
So you are looking at needing work benches, tools, I have no idea what that list would look like, I have had most of mine for a long long time, so no clue what the punch list for a work bench would be, you might as AmberWolf the wizard of the search engine if they can look for any links for you (I tried, and failed, again to get a useful result)
then you have the harder items, for example you will absolutely want a top of the line spot welder...
I think my battery station misc stuff (shrink wrap, insulative paper, proper acid control sheets, etc) ran me about 200 bucks but I was not hunting for pricing, I just hopped on-line and ordered what seemed like a good idea, but I have some impulse control issues so it might be total overkill.
Good tools make a god out of the devil.
I got them and will get some more when I see them. I just send out for some long screwdriver bits like 3 inches so I can crack the batteries open faster.
Also I got myself a set of basic HSS drill "bits".
All of the above will save time.
But we are out of cells and we got to wait them in and also some nickel and solder are in the agenda as they are scarce as water in the desert right now. Without those we might not survive.
Luckely we can cope another day two as they may arrive in light of this upcoming Thuesday.
Redarding a table, anything will do really as long it hasn't four legs and the space I need for my own business than the one I do now is not more than 10 sq feet or 30. Then you see my problem is not the rent fee but to find a place preferably with a window out to a nice street for people watching
as a side gig I have. It's always nice to ponder about.
I got them and will get some more when I see them. I just send out for some long screwdriver bits like 3 inches so I can crack the batteries open faster.
Also I got myself a set of basic HSS drill "bits".
All of the above will save time.
But we are out of cells and we got to wait them in and also some nickel and solder are in the agenda as they are scarce as water in the desert right now. Without those we might not survive.
Luckely we can cope another day two as they may arrive in light of this upcoming Thuesday.
Redarding a table, anything will do really as long it hasn't four legs and the space I need for my own business than the one I do now is not more than 10 sq feet or 30. Then you see my problem is not the rent fee but to find a place preferably with a window out to a nice street for people watching
as a side gig I have. It's always nice to ponder about.
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I have and are doing work to increase QC but what I have seen recently was a bms that was bad and weakened the battery to the level that it was almost unusable. Cell groups being way off their values. It had already received a full set of new cells so but the way I spotted the error was that the bms heated up at the balance resistors.
A bms usually have one balance cable and one positive and negative wire going to it.
To my knowledge the correct pattern is
1. - negative from the battery
2. balance wires
3. + positive wire from the battery
Should the wires be disconnected in the same way and can something brake if the pattern is wrong while disconneting?
Also:
Can the bms be bricked or lose functions if the wires are connected in another pattern and not the "correct" one to my understanding written above?
A bms usually have one balance cable and one positive and negative wire going to it.
To my knowledge the correct pattern is
1. - negative from the battery
2. balance wires
3. + positive wire from the battery
Should the wires be disconnected in the same way and can something brake if the pattern is wrong while disconneting?
Also:
Can the bms be bricked or lose functions if the wires are connected in another pattern and not the "correct" one to my understanding written above?
20 sold
New information:
Dud rate 5%. Maybe 10%. Very bad but it was also before adding some more QC checks. I still have a few more QC checka to add.
Profit: 5000$
If anyone know and want to push me in the right direction. I need information what power level in Joule I need for 0,12 and 0,15 pure nickel or what settings you are using. Thanks.
Dui ni shuo de dui
100 kW
Not much to contribute to, but just wanted to say good luck and I hope it works out for you!
The only thing that really matters is to get enough customers. Once you got customers then usually all the other stuff will be figured out eventually. Try your best to get one big order from one customer, that's usually the kind of stuff that allows for a step up either in tooling, infrastructure or organisation.
Again, good luck and keep us posted!
The only thing that really matters is to get enough customers. Once you got customers then usually all the other stuff will be figured out eventually. Try your best to get one big order from one customer, that's usually the kind of stuff that allows for a step up either in tooling, infrastructure or organisation.
Again, good luck and keep us posted!
Actually, the only thing that matters is safe batteries which seems to be a problem -
New or Rebuilt Lithium-Ion Battery Service
GET YOUR BATTERIES TESTED AND REPAIRED BEFORE THE SPRING... Send me your batteries to repair or rebuild... PM me for more info.
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would that be this guy?
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quoted from the google maps link
Vmw1982
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New or Rebuilt Lithium-Ion Battery Service
GET YOUR BATTERIES TESTED AND REPAIRED BEFORE THE SPRING... Send me your batteries to repair or rebuild... PM me for more info.
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quoted from the google maps link
Vicious Cycle Battery
Bicycle Shop
South Philadelphia
3 weeks ago
BATTERY EXPLOSION!Fire lasted 30 minutes. Anywhere but here!I had just picked up my $1600 Nanrobot d6+ electric scooter after a month, even though it was only a 2 day job. It’s not a store, by the way, it’s just this guy Victoria working out of the living room of someone’s home, but sleeps until 2pm then opens the front door to the row home and stumbles out to look at electric vehicles. Nobody runs a real business this way. I think he might be on drugs with what happened to my scooter. When I picked it up I rode down the block to test it, and after 25 feet the engine shut off, I heard a popping sound, and then the scooter burst into flames that melted the deck cover, and sent sparks shooting 20 to 30 feet onto the neighbors sidewalk across the street. Thank God I jumped off in time. Thank God it wasn’t in my car or in my home when it exploded. The Fire Marshall was called, and the police and fire Marshall and multiple fire trucks arrived. The street was shut down for hours. The fire Marshall told me that if this fire happened indoors that it would have absolutely burned down the house.If you need your scooter fixed, there are real stores, not a stoner kid running a shop out of a living room playing with electric batteries and causing fires. He just doesn’t have the training or skills to do stuff right. Try Victory E-bike on Broad street or Phillyebikecenter. They are real stores with a license to practice business in Philadelphia. This guy does not qualify to run a business, so couldn’t get a license. It’s electrical work. You need training, or explosions like mine happen. I’m not sure how many of the products he fixes burst into flames, but it should be none, and it’s not. I’m still waiting for my money, going to have to take him to small claims court to get my money back because he has no business license or liability insurance.Remember: It’s just a kid in someone’s living room working on your ride, not a real store. Find a real store.
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Thanks.
There are guys better than me building batteries but I haven't heard them say: "I'm going to open up my own shop" or that they have any QC going on. It ain't something you think about when you build your own stuff too much and when you go to school or soon off to university a thought about your own business is very absent. I'm way down the road but it sure is exiting finding someone that knows almost all that you do but is so much younger and skilled. For sure I'd like them to be onboard and for that to happen they only need to say: "I'll work some hours for you". but that is tricky to get those words I guess. I have to open the store first I guess. It's a seasonal business and somehow pretty chill at the moment.
Dui ni shuo de dui
100 kW
Well, obviously, but the discussion was about business in general, and we pretty much all know that if you sell a deadly product you might be in trouble, also that was maybe half of the posts in this thread already so that didn't really seem as something that needed to be stated over and over. I think we got it.Actually, the only thing that matters is safe batteries which seems to be a problem -
New or Rebuilt Lithium-Ion Battery Service
GET YOUR BATTERIES TESTED AND REPAIRED BEFORE THE SPRING... Send me your batteries to repair or rebuild... PM me for more info.
The link you pointed to doesn't concern our friend leffex unless I'm mistaken. It would be nice if you could make that clear in your message, because at first I thought this was about him and I believe some other people might do the same mistake.
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I thought his business is called Vicious Cycle Battery (as you can see in the upper part of the thread I linked to). The review was about that business. Apologies, I confused the two. I need to read the details a bit better.
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30 sold.
Profit 7500$
Also there are other sales that are not related of high value as well that I fix. There are also hidden gems which will generate high revenue streams when I figure out a good way to work with them.
The speed of sales are really slow but I ain't worried about that. There are reasons behind this and for me it is experimenting and increasing QC to the highest standard possible that is keeping my mind busy.
Profit 7500$
Also there are other sales that are not related of high value as well that I fix. There are also hidden gems which will generate high revenue streams when I figure out a good way to work with them.
The speed of sales are really slow but I ain't worried about that. There are reasons behind this and for me it is experimenting and increasing QC to the highest standard possible that is keeping my mind busy.
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