Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

[Doctorbass]

Does the UP button work inside the menus? Could it be the button itself or the FLAT cable going from the buttons to the PCB board?

No the up button dont work for all menu.

Doc

 

[GreenRoad]

here is some eaxmples and info on diy charge coils.. i gave up pretty quickly and bought the adaptto one :lol:

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53867&start=200#p859672

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53867&start=250#p989965

Hello
One thing i do not understand:
Could the charging coild wire (coil +cap) always be stay connected with the controller?
Or is it better to place the coil+cap at the charging wire of the charger direct, and only connect it in case of charging?

The GND of the charging wire goes to an seperate input of the controller (GND) - is this port also switched by the controller?
Because when the motor drives - there is alway the coil + Cap on the load of the motor?

If the Charging port (GND) is switched that would be no problem for that.

That would also be the solution to use an normal Charger with the Adaptto - in the case the GND is switched.
For that solution it would be no problem to connect the charger to the bat+ / Charging GND - if the software of adaptto would support this solution and switch in case of overcharge only the GND away.

 

[GreenRoad]

Does the UP button work inside the menus? Could it be the button itself or the FLAT cable going from the buttons to the PCB board?

No the up button dont work for all menu.

Doc

Hello Doc
Could you measure the switch direct in the display.
perhaps its only an defect tactil switch.

I do not know, if the adaptto display uses switch integrated in the display foil.

I think it would be the best to check the display inside, perhaps you could find the failure for yourself...

 

[madin88]

Hello
One thing i do not understand:
Could the charging coild wire (coil +cap) always be stay connected with the controller?
Or is it better to place the coil+cap at the charging wire of the charger direct, and only connect it in case of charging?

The GND of the charging wire goes to an seperate input of the controller (GND) - is this port also switched by the controller?
Because when the motor drives - there is alway the coil + Cap on the load of the motor?

If the Charging port (GND) is switched that would be no problem for that.

Nope, you MUST disconnect the coil before you can ride (at least from the phase wire or separate charging lead). From what i know the negative charging lead is normally GND and cannot be switched off due to hardware.

That would also be the solution to use an normal Charger with the Adaptto - in the case the GND is switched.
For that solution it would be no problem to connect the charger to the bat+ / Charging GND - if the software of adaptto would support this solution and switch in case of overcharge only the GND away.

If you do not charge with the coil through one of the phase wires, the controller has no control over the charge. it stops at the voltage the charger is set to.

 

[ridethelightning]

i have my coil permenantly installed but have a switch on the neg charge lead to disengage the coil.

this seems to work ok. if its not disconnected, the motor grumbles on startup, but will still operate... but the regen really acts up bad, makes a loud noise.

 

[crea2k]

To test the hardware put in a sd card, then instead of clicking firmware update click the hardware test, this will let you test all the buttons then.

 

[Allex]

btw can someone confirm if this representation is right?

and could add were the lock and unlock area are?

would be great to fully understand the max limit! :wink:

I ahve read that the Max-E get max power at 85V... so with 140A batt current that's 11.9kW

Is the limiting feature is inv proportional between 85 and 90 or 92V.. ?

If someone could ameliorate/correct that graph with all these info it would be great! ( with also the luck and unlock limit)

Doc

Doc, regarding the limits. The limitation is linear, where you have about 250-500W at 99V and 100% of power at 92V
So probably about 1kW at 98Volts if I would guess.
Never used an unlocked controller. But I would guess that it will be a lot like xie-chang based boards(infineon) you will get everything unlocked and if you see the smoke coming, then you know that you have played with it to much.

 

[Doctorbass]

To test the hardware put in a sd card, then instead of clicking firmware update click the hardware test, this will let you test all the buttons then.

That's a great advice but on that older version max-E the firmware can not be updated. the hardware to do that exist bt the function seem to not be fully working. ( I get a blank screen after I activate the firmware update action)

Thanks anyway!

Doc

 

[crea2k]

You don't get that far though, I'm not sure if it is the same on older versions but it was press left for formware update or press some other button to test hardware, I'd look if my controller was working, but its being returned for repair at the min.

 

[GreenRoad]

Nope, you MUST disconnect the coil before you can ride (at least from the phase wire or separate charging lead). From what i know the negative charging lead is normally GND and cannot be switched off due to hardware.

If you do not charge with the coil through one of the phase wires, the controller has no control over the charge. it stops at the voltage the charger is set to.

Hello Madin88 - thanks for your help - now its clear - and logical.
We should make our own adaptto discussion - in german (austrian) - would be much easier....
i have to take a look if this is also clear written in the manual.... the pictures are not realy clear (for me) then its also okay to buy the original coil from adaptto - because i thought i must stay always connectect to the controller and i wantet to reduce weight....
For normal people with "low" voltage it would be good if the Driver Mosfets only switch as an normal switch, and not as an boost converter. i did not know the circuit for the Adaptto but to change with an normal charger over the coil should possible - in the case of of no switching regulation. its the same like in the reku mode.
the controller should only switch throught the coil if the battery voltage is okay, or if bms is installed, in the case that the cells are okay. .... but we should wait, until adaptto is back from holiday - they celebrate now new year..

One other thing.
I but today the adaptto BMS with 14S Limn on my bike. At past i used a 12S battery without adaptto BMS.
I did the calibration again, and the motor gets higher RPM!
i use an outrunner (i told this allready ) with adaptto - and i measured the rpm of the Motor.
With an 14S battery i get 7000rpm (with an 10pol motor) - that means 70kerpm...
I checked the current - everything is okay and look good. With the 12S battery i only get out 6000rpm.

now there is the question - what should i do?
Adaptto tells that it is okay to use motors up to 60keRpm, now i get out 70keRpm.

For the first step I limit the Speed and check it outdoor - but my question is - would it be okay to use the motor also with this rpm?
I think nobody before tried to use an outrunner with adaptto - but i also look verry good up to 70kerpm.

 

[Doctorbass]

Any idea if the Max-E can tolerate a 2 turn motor like my Crystalyte 5302 ?

I guess it's the only hub motor ever wound as fast as this one...

Inductance is pretty severe at 109uH between two phase

This motor never blow or heat... it's the controller usually that take the punch!

The total winding strands are equal to a 10 gauge wire!

-winding
--number of strands: 10
--size of each strands: AWG 20 ( 0.032"dia)
--All strands = to one 10 AWG
--inductance bewteen two phase wire: 79uH with my meterman XR37 and 109uH(retested with calibrated Agilent LCR meter) 5 jan 2014
--DC resistance between two phase wire: 0.045ohm (direct to winding phase to phase)

-number of pole:12
-number of magnets: 24

I have made my 2009 speed world record with this exact motor on a simple 4110 modified infineon 18 fets and controller survived but i might had luck... :lol: ( not to forget i have blown it 4 time during my tests.... and that during the day of the record event i have forgot it set to 75% max speed!! ! so this might have saved it...)

The Max-E have half the mosfet resistance so 4 times less heat than the infineon 18...

I wonder if someone ever tested that Max-E with so fast winding motor?

Doc

 

[madin88]

Doc, i will try out soon MXUS 3000 3T with Max-E (about 11AWG strands) and i have no scruples it will not work.. what should happen try it out

 

[Jonboy]

Hi Guys, can someone just clear up two things about the Max-e controller, I really do fancy getting one but:

1. Are they available at the moment? If so where from as I struggling getting a response from Adaptto.com site.

2. I'd like to use it along with a 24s pack which i never fully charge, it's usually 99.1v off the charger, once riding it sags a volt or two pretty quick before it plateaus. So I'm guessing that will be OK? I'd hook it to my Cro V3, but I'm sure I've read that at the units upper volt level it's max amps is 70 so circa 7KW would be the most I could safely achieve... Or may be I have the phase and battery amps the wrong way around? Please excuse my nubeness!

Any Help here would be great, I'm beginning to pull my hair out ( whats left :lol: )

Thanks

Jon

 

[GCinDC]

24s lipo? no, too much. 92V is max voltage for full current.

sorry, not sure where to buy, but keep poking 'em

 

[Allex]

Actually I have a few controllers left.

 

[Rodney64]

Hi Guys, can someone just clear up two things about the Max-e controller, I really do fancy getting one but:

1. Are they available at the moment? If so where from as I struggling getting a response from Adaptto.com site.

2. I'd like to use it along with a 24s pack which i never fully charge, it's usually 99.1v off the charger, once riding it sags a volt or two pretty quick before it plateaus. So I'm guessing that will be OK? I'd hook it to my Cro V3, but I'm sure I've read that at the units upper volt level it's max amps is 70 so circa 7KW would be the most I could safely achieve... Or may be I have the phase and battery amps the wrong way around? Please excuse my nubeness!

Any Help here would be great, I'm beginning to pull my hair out ( whats left :lol: )

Thanks

Jon

24s lipo will work, mine run on 99 volt reduced amps until it sagged a little. My Max-e maximum amps is 126 battery and 236 phase amps. 68 battery amps is for the mini. I had my max.e controller pulling 10.4 kW for short bursts.' I purchased both my controllers from Alex. Just pm him. You should get a response.

 

[sn0wchyld]

Hi Guys, can someone just clear up two things about the Max-e controller, I really do fancy getting one but:

1. Are they available at the moment? If so where from as I struggling getting a response from Adaptto.com site.

2. I'd like to use it along with a 24s pack which i never fully charge, it's usually 99.1v off the charger, once riding it sags a volt or two pretty quick before it plateaus. So I'm guessing that will be OK? I'd hook it to my Cro V3, but I'm sure I've read that at the units upper volt level it's max amps is 70 so circa 7KW would be the most I could safely achieve... Or may be I have the phase and battery amps the wrong way around? Please excuse my nubeness!

Any Help here would be great, I'm beginning to pull my hair out ( whats left :lol: )

Thanks

Jon

24s lipo will work, mine run on 99 volt reduced amps until it sagged a little. My Max-e maximum amps is 126 battery and 236 phase amps. 68 battery amps is for the mini. I had my max.e controller pulling 10.4 kW for short bursts.' I purchased both my controllers from Alex. Just pm him. You should get a response.

hey mate
i just bought one (thanks allex!) and was planning on 20s to start with (22s later) but since you're running 24s, can you tell me what the power is limited to at full charge? all my packs are 24s atm, so if its not too limiting i can leave them as is to start with. cheers...

 

[Rodney64]

Yes it will still run on 24s at 500 watt approximately until the voltage drops to 98. I bulk charge and it normally sat on 99 volt. Once I open the throte and got some sag then more or less full power.

 

[sn0wchyld]

Yes it will still run on 24s at 500 watt approximately until the voltage drops to 98. I bulk charge and it normally sat on 99 volt. Once I open the throte and got some sag then more or less full power.

yea i generally dont charge past 98v so if i can still get a couple of kw round there that'll probably do and save me some trouble rewiring stuff.

 

[Doctorbass]

The caps inside are rated 100V.

When high current demand occur the phase current is so high that it create voltage spike that are above 100V. As well they will not blow because of that... but thet will stress over the time and are more subject to faillure.

As well same as for the 18 mosfets that are also rated 100V ! :wink:

But yes i'm from the generation that in 2007 who have modified their first crystalyte controller to take 100.8V... with 100V caps... but then we learned after few repair and over the time that 200V caps are required if you want to go 100V!

Dont forget... max voltage dont really mean max power!... the power is suited to be limited when driving close to the rated max value... but if you leave a safe margin NOW you can boost current !

That's the reason i preffer driving 22s and... feel free ans confident to set 350-400A phase!! 140A batt! 8)

Doc

 

[Rodney64]

btw can someone confirm if this representation is right?

and could add were the lock and unlock area are?

would be great to fully understand the max limit! :wink:

I ahve read that the Max-E get max power at 85V... so with 140A batt current that's 11.9kW

Is the limiting feature is inv proportional between 85 and 90 or 92V.. ?

If someone could ameliorate/correct that graph with all these info it would be great! ( with also the luck and unlock limit)

Doc

No it's not correct. Alex informed me that the voltage has increased from 92 volts to 98. That's why I tried 24s. I now have a 21s pack 9p. But for anyone that does have a 24s pack it will still be ok. Charge to 99 volt with sag 98. But asDoc said running at 100v puts stress on the controller over time and as Doc said you will not get any extra top speed running 10 extra volts as this controer has so many extra setting.

 

[crea2k]

Is this hardware or software related though ?, as if they have changed the hardware side on recent controllers to accept the higher voltage you will end up blowing it up on an older controller. If its just a firmware change fair enough. I thought there was a high voltage cut off though that wouldn't allow you to run above a certain voltage anyway ?.

 

[crea2k]

On the Adappto site it says 24v-98v

 

[Rodney64]

Is this hardware or software related though ?, as if they have changed the hardware side on recent controllers to accept the higher voltage you will end up blowing it up on an older controller. If its just a firmware change fair enough. I thought there was a high voltage cut off though that wouldn't allow you to run above a certain voltage anyway ?.

You would need to discuss this with adaptto though. I was running 18s until I was told that the controller would run on 24s.

 

[crea2k]

I think 24s would only be an advantage if you ride on road a lot, for the extra speed, I run 18s5p on mine and it will still do 60mph + with OVS on 3-4 .