Hillhater
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Did it actually get crushed ?sendler2112 said:
Or did some other fat fool buy it to keep guzzling gas, and you just added another gas burner to the roads :?
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Or did some other fat fool buy it to keep guzzling gas, and you just added another gas burner to the roads :?
This is common with trade ins they tell you its a thing for getting dirty cars off the road but most of the time someone working there gets dibs on the junk coming in. But the person buying it putting it back on the road was likely driving something before so its a wash I guess.Hillhater said:
Arlo, when you say an old car (to be honest 40+ years old is more than the 15-20 I was imagining) emits 50 or 130x more emissions I'm guessing you're talking about a specific trace emission like NoX or hydrocarbons. Those may be intolerable from the perspective of local air pollution, but I was sticking with CO2 since we're talking fuel consumption and energy which equal CO2 emission. Also, as pointed out above, EFI + catalytic converter (anything from approx. 1990 onwards) will be pretty clean of those toxic nasties.
My reference is only from an article in New Scientist (12th Dec 2015, pg. 37) that jumped out during casual reading. The article is by Fred Pearce, who by a cursory search doesn't appear to be a climate sceptic or denier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Pearce). The article says:
"If your current car was manufactured a decade ago, it might typically pump out about 1.8 tonnes of CO2 a year, if you drive an average of 12,000km. If you were to buy the most fuel efficient model you can find on garage forecourts today and drive a similar sort of distance, you'd emit about 1 tonne annually, according to company-declared emissions at least"
On embodied energy:
"According to manufacturers' figures the process of making a car typically takes between 600 and 800kg of CO2. Factor in making the steel for the body itself and you can add in another tonne of emissions. Add in the carbon footprint of the aluminium components - which require five times more energy to smelt than steel - plus upholstery, glass, rubber and electronics and your new car clocks in at around 6 tonnes of CO2, according to the UK's Carbon Trust. You'll have to run it for 8 years to recoup its carbon cost".
Playing with the 260 gallons to make a car figure, burning a 6.3lb gallon of gasoline apparently produces 20 lb of CO2. 20 x 260 = 5200lb / 2.2 = ~2.4 tonnes. They're clearly counting more than just the emissions for assembly, and at 3000lb (1.36 tonne) it's similar to the averageish European car, but clearly something is much different.
Anyway, does my take on it conveniently justify my continuing to run an older car rather than madly indebting myself to buy a new one? Yes, that's occurred to me before
My reference is only from an article in New Scientist (12th Dec 2015, pg. 37) that jumped out during casual reading. The article is by Fred Pearce, who by a cursory search doesn't appear to be a climate sceptic or denier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Pearce). The article says:
"If your current car was manufactured a decade ago, it might typically pump out about 1.8 tonnes of CO2 a year, if you drive an average of 12,000km. If you were to buy the most fuel efficient model you can find on garage forecourts today and drive a similar sort of distance, you'd emit about 1 tonne annually, according to company-declared emissions at least"
On embodied energy:
"According to manufacturers' figures the process of making a car typically takes between 600 and 800kg of CO2. Factor in making the steel for the body itself and you can add in another tonne of emissions. Add in the carbon footprint of the aluminium components - which require five times more energy to smelt than steel - plus upholstery, glass, rubber and electronics and your new car clocks in at around 6 tonnes of CO2, according to the UK's Carbon Trust. You'll have to run it for 8 years to recoup its carbon cost".
Playing with the 260 gallons to make a car figure, burning a 6.3lb gallon of gasoline apparently produces 20 lb of CO2. 20 x 260 = 5200lb / 2.2 = ~2.4 tonnes. They're clearly counting more than just the emissions for assembly, and at 3000lb (1.36 tonne) it's similar to the averageish European car, but clearly something is much different.
Anyway, does my take on it conveniently justify my continuing to run an older car rather than madly indebting myself to buy a new one? Yes, that's occurred to me before
sendler2112
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Cash for clunkers. The engine was certified destroyed.Hillhater said:
Hillhater
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I almost feel that is just as bad.sendler2112 said:
Recycling, and reusing serviceable mechanical end electrical components has to be more ecological than distruction, remelt, remanufacture etc.
The fingers
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Regular $2.49, supreme $2.74 per gallon.
sendler2112
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16.5 mpgUS! Good riddance. Get these gas guzzlers off of the road. A throw back to mankind's self indulgent foolish mistake.Hillhater said:
High energy consumption ICE vehicle = selfish indulgent travesty
High energy consumption EV (Tesla) = Rawsome!
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Size/comfort/performance means greater energy usage, which means higher CO2 emissions however you slice it. We each have our own standards of acceptable comfort and I'm sure there are people who would condemn someone driving a Leaf as extravagant, thinking they ought to be driving a motorised shoe.
High energy consumption EV (Tesla) = Rawsome!
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Size/comfort/performance means greater energy usage, which means higher CO2 emissions however you slice it. We each have our own standards of acceptable comfort and I'm sure there are people who would condemn someone driving a Leaf as extravagant, thinking they ought to be driving a motorised shoe.
MrDude_1
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Punx0r said:
Then there are people like me who think a leaf might as well be a motorized shoe. It sucks for just about everything except limited point A to point B travel.
I woudlnt go so far to say that I laugh at all the eco freaks... but some of us are here because we like to go fast, and we like electronics. We're the minority now, but as electrics become more mainstream, more mainstream people that like performance and/or comfort will come.
sendler2112
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Wake up and smell the coffee. We are frocking up the planet forever. Your grandchildren will curse your name for laughing about it.
Chalo
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And because he doesn't care about anything, he'll probably be one of those who craps out kids like it's a good idea. So it really will be his descendants. It certainly won't be mine.
MrDude_1
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sendler2112 said:
Your grandchildren will curse my name.
MY grand children will want me to start up one of the cars in the collection. Probably whatever one is loudest. Kids are funny that way.
Chalo said:
well...while I would tell you you are misinformed, its good to know you're not reproducing. :lol:
MrDude_1
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also, I dont like coffee.
and if you cared about the enviroment, you wouldnt drink it either.
pratically slave labor growing it... shipping it around the world.... CO2 release from roasting it... you should be ashamed of yourself.
and if you cared about the enviroment, you wouldnt drink it either.
pratically slave labor growing it... shipping it around the world.... CO2 release from roasting it... you should be ashamed of yourself.
MrDude_1
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gogo said:
Compost pile?! you monster!
Dont you know those compostable materials should go in the landfill, to help keep it healthy enough to break down all that other trash the lesser people of the world throw out?! How DARE you horde it all for yourself! Why are you not thinking of the children?!
Chalo
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MrDude_1 said:
Well maybe you and your "funny" offspring should enjoy your stinking gas car in the comfort of a closed garage. I mean, so you can have all the benefits to yourself instead of sharing them with the rest of us who don't even appreciate them.
MrDude_1
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Chalo said:
No.No.No.....I cant do that.
I was taught how to share.
However in your honor, I will be sure to start the CR500 tonight. its amazing how a 500cc motor can only get 12mpg. But dont worry, I have a desert tank on it...It can hold twice as much fuel.
The fingers
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Regular $2.35, supreme $2.57 per gallon.
jimw1960
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The fingers said:Regular $2.35, supreme $2.57 per gallon.
That's pretty pricey out there in Cali. On my way to work this morning in San Antonio, saw $1.37 for regular. That's just insane cheap. Pretty soon they'll be paying us to take it off their hands.
sendler2112
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Cheap gas is helping buyers make a big mistake as pick up trucks and big SUVs are chosen to buy over fuel efficient cars.
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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1102089_chrysler-throws-in-towel-on-sedans-200-dart-to-die-for-suvs-trucks
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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1102089_chrysler-throws-in-towel-on-sedans-200-dart-to-die-for-suvs-trucks
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The fingers
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jimw1960 said:The fingers said:Regular $2.35, supreme $2.57 per gallon.
That's pretty pricey out there in Cali. On my way to work this morning in San Antonio, saw $1.37 for regular. That's just insane cheap. Pretty soon they'll be paying us to take it off their hands.
I'm surprised that bootleggers driving gasoline tanker trucks aren't smuggling gas out here to make a drop at a local service station or two.
The fingers
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Regular $2.29, supreme $2.49 per gallon.
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