I hope he's in the shop...instead of in front of a computer. BTW, he's also been sending out GNG upgrade parts.
Samd said:This thread is playing out a bit like Kresimir's Bioplanet bike process.
My learnings from that which I apply to the custom frames I sell - and I would encourage others to consider for ES:
- take about half as a deposit to cover your materials
- take the balance as profit when done - profit is a reward to for adding value or taking risk.
- only put something up for a fully paid up sale when the item is fully finished without a known buyer. The ES community aren't your personal interest free bank.
- if you have a lot of people waiting for a lot of items to be assembled over a lot of time, do them sequentially, publish a list and cross them off one at a time in a public forum.
Manage their expectations.
This may play out just fine. But it's gone the other way before.
r3volved said:It's straight up first world problems.
People expecting special treatment for nothing. Wanting a top quality product - at no cost - next day. That's not how any industry works. This attitude is exactly why manufacturing has frocked off to Asia.
I think you mean long batch runs of 100 parts by outdated processes, not the sequential single piece flow I've described. Which is exactly my point.r3volved said:This attitude is exactly why manufacturing has frocked off to Asia.
Samd said:I want to start a new product line with your cash.
Lenk42602 said:Wait, where's Mike?
:lol:
KMB said:Well...this verifies it....in any large group of great people....there are always a few a** holes....Mike...you have been one of the most upstanding people to grace ES. Don't lose the vision...if only everyone had the guts you have...
unless he starts posting pictures next to each one, they it sky rockets..back uprecumpence said:I think posting the production completion list is a great idea. It keeps everyone informed and keeps the overall blood pressure down.
Matt
LightningRods said:I found that the way the dialogue was turning was making it difficult for me to do the work. There's something about being in a 95 degree shop making parts after you've gotten your ass chewed. All you want to do is say f*ck it and go do something else.
I've finished two more kits. Here is the revised production queue:
Completed- Dennis P- Canada X
Completed- David B- UK X
1- Leif D- US X
2- Herman L- US X
3- Elhanan M- Israel X
4- Dawson J- Canada X
5- Len K- US
6- James D- Canada
7- Bryan K- US
8- Vincent D- Canada
9- Brian M- US
10- Jeremy L- US
11- Andrew F- UK
12- Tom F- US
One conversation that I did have the misfortune to notice was the theory that I was redirecting the money paid for kits to some other purpose. First off, I pulled $10,000 out of my other established business to throw into this endeavor last year. Secondly, I've spent 100% of the money paid for kits on buying parts. I posted photographs of many of the parts to head off this sort of conspiracy theory reasoning. Anyone who wants a box of unpainted, unassembled parts that they can sort out and assemble themselves can have their 'kit' PDQ. It's all here.
speedmd said:Ship only when your happy with what you have
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