new eZip motor

[latecurtis]

As the Hub Motor Turns and the LiPo Fire Burns. Road Trip.


https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=72393&start=25

Skalabala finally got the right controller for his big block brushless motor build. Thought you guys might be interested. His builds are on a level much higher than what I currently do. He has a lot of patience as he waited a long time to get that controller. He started that at least a year ago I think.

I will be posting another video of the Diamondback today hopefully better than the last one I deleted as it gave me a headache watching it. Not sure but hope one of my tires is not compromised. I cant order anything until I put in a change of address. The thing is my order is placed automatically so I will need to contact pay pal and e bay I believe to change it.

I need to order a second one of those 10.0AH packs as I desperately need two for 44V LiPo. That 48V SLA pack is totally ridiculous. Just running something like that with any of my builds depreciates the entire build plus sick of lugging that thing around. It is currently on the floor of my car on the passenger side. I hope it dont go thru the floor panel. I never checked it for rust. :lol:

Now that I can lock a bike downstairs to the stair rail at my new place I will be riding 26" bikes a lot more often. The Schwinn is 48V as is the 24" build and the Diamondback. I am going to need a lot more 6s packs for 44V LiPo.

As I was posting this earlier Mary (my ol lady) I will call her Mary from now on. Her son called. He drives truck in Ohio. He went to an auction and got a Ford F150 in great shape 144k miles I guess. I took $1,000 out and only have $2,000 left but now the move will be much easier. Also that was in the mailbox. I was surprised it fit so guess I was right about mail boxes. The small cash box is more secure though with the lock.

Basically it looks like I got a good deal on the new pack. The cells look kind of balanced. Nothing like that one 8.0 pack with the low cell. DA. If you read this let me know if you can help me later on this summer when I get settled in. Getting triple A road assistance for about 500 miles I think or more if possible.

My decision on a fast bike is to take Skalabalas advice and do a similar build with one of the greentime motors and controllers. Whatever his new set up will be I want something similar maybe a little less costly if possible. 40 to 45 mph. I am not interested in anything faster. I have a car and will have a truck if I want to go 50 mph.

I know you dont drink and I wont be either as never got a DWI and never want one. If you can help me put it together I will bring a bike when I get a good enough one and the parts for the gear reduction,motor controller etc. If I don't get a solid state hard drive by then I may buy it from you also for Big Red (My eight core gaming machine) I have a general idea of your location.

Back in 1991 I worked for a company called Eastern Environmental. I did asbestos abatement at the Hammer mill paper company in Erie PA. I also lived in Wilks Barre PA. and have been thru Scranton. I have been to Syracuse NY also but not to Ohio yet. Mary went on a train to Medina OH to see her son John a few years ago who is delivering me the truck in about 24 hours he said as soon as I wire the money. I could even take a trip out there to save John a trip in August or September and stop where you are on the way back.

I really hope your decision DA is yes however we are looking at a few months anyway. Also my friend with the security system can watch my new place for a few days so nothing walks out the door. :lol: The other thing I want to start thinking about but is at least two years away. Converting one or possibly two of my gas vehicles to electric if possible. I will have all the specs like weight and drive train configuration. We could at least make a plan then.

If I can keep the gas motors and convert it to a hybrid that would be the best bet. Battery technology is at least a few years away from 500 + mile range at any sane price range but will be great for local driving. I have a lot to do though before I am ready to build a serious e bike. Please post when you guys can. I have to get back to packing and moving. I have a lot to do though before I am ready to build a serious e bike. Please post when you guys can. I have to get back to packing and moving.

Just got back from downtown with the Diamondback. The thing not only goes up the same hills the 533W 24V motor could barley make it up. It goes up close to 10 mph I believe. The thumb throttle is very sensitive. Very easy to spin it out if not careful. I really can't let anyone else ride that bike. I have a feeling the forks will snap off and the wheel will come off even with the torque arms. It is difficult to even drive it under 12 mph. This bike really wants to go. From 0 to 16 mph it will beat the snot out of any e bike I ever built if the front wheel dont come off.

The route I take home the roads are horrible and the pothole from hell is there. I needed to go slow especially in the dark about 5 to 7 mph. It was most difficult to do. When I hit a bump I needed to take my thumb off the throttle as the slightest pressure will cause rapid acceleration. I really understand now how gearing really works. Also in this case charging the 48V SLA pack I could really use the PROPER 48V charger DA said to get many posts ago.

The thing is I don't intend in keeping this SLA pack around that long as it is heavier than a lot of bikes I have owned. I plan on totally destroying the SLA pack as soon as I get that 24" bike going with the 48V 1,000W motor. I plan on leaving the LiPo pack I got today alone until I get another one just like it. Then using them exclusively in series for 44.4V and maybe ordering two more at least as I have three e bikes now that run off of 44.4 or 48V. I only have one bike that runs off of 24 or 22.2V however that is going to change as I plan on a second 24V build with the 500W motor. A 9T #25 motor and the 80T #25 sprocket which bolts to a freewheel on the front of another 20" bike.

The reason is the 48V motor on the Diamondback running at 850W and geared for 16 mph is too much power for late night downtown runs when I am drunk. I only had a couple beers tonight but would rather have a 500W motor geared the same with the variable controller when drinking. That Diamondback has too much snot. I need something easier to ride if I have had a few too many. Thanks.

LC. out.

 

[latecurtis]

As the Hub Motor Turns and the LiPo Fire Burns. 5/6/ 16

Made it to bed by 4AM. Maybe 3 or 4 beers total. (25 oz cans). For me that is cutting down. :lol: I feel better today. The car is down there.(about 8 blocks) Someone needed it to get picked up for work. Just got a call and need to do a money gram at Wall-Mart to get my truck. Taking the 20" 24V bike there now. I get my keys today also and need to move shit. Will post later if there is time. Hope Skalabala posts that build. I am interested in it. Basically the 24" build and another 20" build are going to happen quickly when I get settled in. I already have the parts I need for them.

I will then be looking to start getting what I need to build a bike with gear reduction and all that like Skalabala is doing. I have two hub driven bikes now and two chain driven. I will be ready to move on to the next level and a truck to get some hands on help so I can move on to the next level of e bike building. Please post when you can. I would like to hear from you guys. Thanks.

LC. out.

 

[DrkAngel]

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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2 Problems!

# 1 - Most everyone recommends against putting a hub motor on a suspension fork!

# 2 - For the umpteenth time ... Powerful front drive is suicidal on a bicycle!!!

Be aware!
Looks like 80%+ weight is on the back tire ...

Rear wheel drive would easily pop wheelies, but ...
Front wheel is liable to spin! ... and put you on the ground!

Lean forward as far as possible when accelerating, on iffy terrain and especially going up any hills.

I got to admit that was a good attempt to downplay my outstanding accomplishments but once again proved to be futile.

. . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . Oops?

Just got back from downtown with the Diamondback. The thing not only goes up the same hills the 533W 24V motor could barley make it up. It goes up close to 10 mph I believe. The thumb throttle is very sensitive. Very easy to spin it out if not careful. I really can't let anyone else ride that bike. I have a feeling the forks will snap off and the wheel will come off even with the torque arms. It is difficult to even drive it under 12 mph. This bike really wants to go. From 0 to 16 mph it will beat the snot out of any e bike I ever built if the front wheel dont come off.
... I really understand now how gearing really works. ...
LC. out.

Still wanna go 1500w on the front wheel?

 

[DrkAngel]

Also in this case charging the 48V SLA pack I could really use the PROPER 48V charger DA said to get many posts ago.

LC. out.

Tried to swap wiring while drunk?
Octopus wiring can be properly defined as Snagglepuss rigging!

Umm .. standard-universal rigging is red to positive. Just gotta be different?

 

[latecurtis]

As the Hub motor turns and the Lipo Fire Burns. OOOps. I packed the camera.

I got Dan's old packs on the charger. The voltage while storing remained stable at around 3.84V per cell within ,02V.
I will be taking the Schwinn over today. Also I will be riding it a lot more as I can lock it up where the Diamondback was in the picture.

Still wanna go 1500w on the front wheel?

Absolutely not. It may very well be my last front hub motor build.

A 1500W rear hub motor on a chromoly down hill frame with disk brakes front and rear is the plan. If I cant afford a downhill bike It will still be Chromoly with disk though.

Not sure when though as the F150 truck fell thru but a Dodge Caravan is on the way here. With two motor vehicles it may be quite awhile before I do any more expensive builds. If I succeed in getting a major scrapping operation going this summer it could happen by fall though. The 24" bike with the 48V 1,000W motor will get the 65T sprocket though and will probably be my last build for awhile. I may build another 20" 24V bike though as I already have the 500W motor, another variable controller, the #25 chain, the 80T #25 sprocket a 9T #25 motor sprocket and a 20" frame. Nothing much to order to build it. Thanks.

LC. out.

 

[DAND214]

As the Hub motor turns and the Lipo Fire Burns. OOOps. I packed the camera.

I got Dan's old packs on the charger. The voltage while storing remained stable at around 3.84V per cell within ,02V.
I will be taking the Schwinn over today. Also I will be riding it a lot more as I can lock it up where the Diamondback was in the picture.

Still wanna go 1500w on the front wheel?

Absolutely not. It may very well be my last front hub motor build.

A 1500W rear hub motor on a chromoly down hill frame with disk brakes front and rear is the plan. If I cant afford a downhill bike It will still be Chromoly with disk though.

Not sure when though as the F150 truck fell thru but a Dodge Caravan is on the way here. With two motor vehicles it may be quite awhile before I do any more expensive builds. If I succeed in getting a major scrapping operation going this summer it could happen by fall though. The 24" bike with the 48V 1,000W motor will get the 65T sprocket though and will probably be my last build for awhile. I may build another 20" 24V bike though as I already have the 500W motor, another variable controller, the #25 chain, the 80T #25 sprocket a 9T #25 motor sprocket and a 20" frame. Nothing much to order to build it. Thanks.
LC. out.

It be a hub or your chain drive. If geared properly they have as much a chance of spinning out on take off. 500watts and up on the front is a bad idea, Unless you plan on doing a DEATH BIKE like LFP and I do mean like his, you should consider hub motors (REAR). Much easier and less maintenance if any.

Have fun on your move. Hope it all works out for you.

Dan

 

[latecurtis]

Have fun on your move. Hope it all works out for you.

Thanks Dan.

It be a hub or your chain drive. If geared properly they have as much a chance of spinning out on take off. 500watts and up on the front is a bad idea, Unless you plan on doing a DEATH BIKE like LFP and I do mean like his, you should consider hub motors (REAR). Much easier and less maintenance if any.

The 850W 48V hub motor on the front of the Diamondback is very powerful and the thumb throttle is VERY sensitive. It is difficult not to spin out with it.

Knowing that I press on it VERY gently during take off. It is not the type of bike I will let anyone else ride. That said.

The chain driven 533W motor on the front of the other 20" bike accelerates VERY smoothly and the main reason for that is the built in pot. It is geared at 20 mph as at 24V the 36V 2,750 rpm motor turns at 1833 rpm so it is geared properly but has a little trouble up SOME hills but will do ok on most.

A second 500W build will be geared slightly better for 16 to 18 mph.

Normal operation of the pot. turning it normally. (not as fast as possible) but just a normal turn wont spin out at all. It simply goes. It is simple and easy to operate.

I am not sure that would be the case with the Diamondback though. However if it would work I could pick up a pot at radio shack, unhook the thumb throttle temporary and try it to see if there is any difference. The other option is a different thumb throttle which is less sensitive by design if there is such a thing. Please let me know.

Building a second 20" 24V bike with a second controller with a built in pot geared for 16 to 18 mph wont be any more dangerous than the 20" chain driven bike I have now.

The pot. gives you superior control over speed than any type of throttle that I know of. If I wanted to match speed with an electric wheelchair from take off up to 3 or 4 mph maximum speed it would be very easy to achieve. Impossible with any type of throttle.

Back when I had the 48V 1,000W unite motor on the front of the Diamond back chain driven and geared for 25 mph at 36V and 750W@2,250 rpm it still did not spin out with a pot. It simply accelerated faster once it got going than the 533W motor at 24V.

That said I may repeat that build but as far as a 1,500W 48V hub motor it most definitely will be rear driven and will not be a kit as I wish to get a separate 72V controller and run 66.6V LiPo so I can hot rod it to 40 mph.

Before I do that however I will complete the rear chain driven 24" bike with the 1,000W 48V motor and controller with the 65T spoke sprocket which will replace the 56T spoke sprocket on there now. The 56T sprocket on there now is perfect for another 48V 1,000W Unite motor but run at 36V and 750W and 2,250 rpm for 25 mph like I did before I put the hub motor on the Diamond Back. Thanks.

LC. out.

 

[rwolf15]

I had a Currie ezip. Fun bike. I built a l-ion 29v 20ah pack for it. Noticed that when the motor was cold in the morning, first taking off, it had a lot more power. Then, after I heated up. It got a little sluggish.
I went to frys electronics and got a liquid cooling system for a CPU. I modified it a bit and wound 1/8" copper tubing around the motor. I got a step down regulator off eBay for 6 bucks to power it. I filed grooves in the motor housing so the copper tubing would fit snug.
Big difference!
I could run it fast all the way to downtown SD, 12mi with no power loss.
I debated running more voltw but the damn thing was fast enough for. A bicycle. I also switched sprocket for a little more speed.
Bad thing about hub motors is you can't cool them

 

[DrkAngel]

I am an eZip Devotee ...
Geared up (16T freewheel mod or 11T sprocket mod) and pushed to 25.9V (charged to ~29V), I cruise at 20mph.
With my homemade 25.9V 25.92Ah battery:
25 miles @ 20mph or
40 miles at 15mph
in moderate weather, leaves the motor only moderately warm - geared and volted for extended life at enhanced speed!
450w output motor @ 25.9V = 485w output.
Fortunately, terrain is fairly level, so gearing is perfect for me, I do pedal assist getting up to cruising speed and if bike needs help on any slight hills ... I maintain near 20mph constantly. See - Attack them Hills

Winter eZip (Snow Beast) was left with oem gearing but pumped to 37V (~41V charged) for slogging through slush and snow at upto 23mph. -
See - Homemade Studded Tires
450w output motor @ 37V = 695w output
Has held up nicely for ~4000 miles.
Cold weather keeps motor from overheat!
Just built 22T freewheel rig for 20mph "legal" operation with my new 33.3V battery builds.
450w output motor @ 33.3V = 625w output
Motor output loss seems nicely offset by the improved gearing!

Found a nice cheap 28A controller that is compatible from 24V >>> 44.4V (50V caps).
Runs 25.9V and 33.3V equally well and allows my Turbo Switch Project - multi- position switch runs:
7s pack 1 @ 25.9V for "legal" 20mph;
7s pack 1 & 3s pack 2 in series @ 37V for 25mph+ (near 30mph w\heavy pedal assist)

33.3V chosen for 2 reasons:
#1 - Large supply of 3s2p LiPo
#2 - 9s12p 18650 fits tightly in oem eZip battery pack!

33.3V 32Ah (charged to 37V for enhanced life with optimal capacity)

Note - LVC on 24V - 44.4V controller restricts 22.2V battery an unreasonable amount!
Nixed my 22.2V and 22.2V >>> 44.4V Turbo plans ...

 

[DrkAngel]

Reported computer w\padlocks, cable and baseboard attached ... to police dept.
Had interesting discussion with police officer about my electric bike.
Says he often sees me "pedaling, I said pedaling!" along at good speed.
Mentioned giving tickets to person on an obvious electric bike who challenged him to "show me any law against electric bikes being legal" ...
Heard previously from alternate source about some multiple DWI A__hole who got obnoxious with the police about eBike legality and got a couple thousand dollars in fines and then moved out of town!

My received impression confirmed my previously held belief that eBike use in NYS is tolerated except when obviously motor powered, or combined with additional traffic infractions ... or being an A__hole.

Avoid these Red flags!
No pedaling
Excessive speed
Filtering through stopped vehicles
Coasting through stop signs etc.
Too fast on sidewalks
Riding against traffic
Acting like an A__hole
Anything that attracts undo attention!

50mph?
Drunk, obnoxious, riding at night, against traffic, with no lights?

LC is gonna wind up in prison! ... ?

 

[DrkAngel]

I am not sure that would be the case with the Diamondback though. However if it would work I could pick up a pot at radio shack, unhook the thumb throttle temporary and try it to see if there is any difference. The other option is a different thumb throttle which is less sensitive by design if there is such a thing. Please let me know.

Better re-check my warnings about throttle types!

 

[latecurtis]

Yea DA. I really don't feel like messing with the throttle. I got so many e bikes it don't really matter. I wont be using that a lot anyway. I will be running the Schwinn more now that I can lock up a bike downstairs. The Schwinn is a front hub motor and is 1,000W I believe but does not seem to have the same spin out issues as the Diamondback obviously due to higher gearing. It still goes up hills though but not like the Diamondback. Also the 24" bike when I get the new spoke sprocket and brakes hooked up. I do want to get a speedometer hooked up to the Diamondback though as It seems faster than 16mph.

Do they make a wireless speedo. that is easy to install and uninstall as I have so many e bikes I need one for all. It would cost way too much to get one for each bike. Also it needs to work with 20" to 26" wheels. Please let me know. Thanks.


LC. out.

 

[DrkAngel]

I do want to get a speedometer hooked up to the Diamondback though as It seems faster than 16mph.

Reaches peak 850 watt output at ~16mph.
But ...

 

[DrkAngel]

Original listing quoted Up to 25mph
Reasonably close comparison:

28" tire = 26mph
20" tire = 22mph

20" tire @ 48V = 22mph
20" tire @ 44.4V = 19.5mph

 

[latecurtis]

OMG.

DA. You never cease to amaze me with your knowledge.

Thanks.

I will need to go back to college FOR AWHILE to understand that.

What I do understand is the 20" hub motor is a beast! The Schwinn and the 24" bike may beat it but not from 0 to 19 mph. Both bikes will have some catching up to do. The original Currie motor 450W@24V upgraded to 675W would give it a good run ; With aggressive pedal assist. Good for at least 23 mph. The Currie and 20" bike with 48V unite at 36V,750W and 2,250 rpm will be catching up also but can top out at 25 mph.

This said yes DA is right about a heavy hauler. I may not understand the graphs but do know from the seat of my pants when riding.

Moving is a total pain in the ass. I got six days left to get 1/2 security. I got a guy painting the whole place and fixing everything. that said if I don't get my security..

There is no doubt that if I wanted to with that motor I could probably drag the landlady's husband about 10 feet down the road with her watching or her and the super. I don't know about three out of three though. Maybe with pedal assist. Thanks.

LC. out.

 

[DrkAngel]

.....
. . . . .. .. . .. ... .16mph geared vs 37mph geared

Same ~850w output motor at full throttle on 8.5% grade hill.

Same ~850w output motor at full throttle on 8.5% grade hill.

16mph geared
1162w battery output
806w motor output
16.4mph
efficiency 69.3%
range 5.1 miles
20% battery capacity required to climb hill
overheat in 23 minutes

vs

37mph geared
1162w battery output
160w motor output
4.1mph
efficiency 13.8%
range 1.3 mile
80% battery capacity required to climb hill
overheat in 5.1 minutes

Produced using - http://www.ebikes.ca/tools/simulator

 

[DAND214]

WOW DA, how do you do that?
Show us how!

Dan

 

[latecurtis]

It only works for hub motors. The 500W Unite motor I am not using but plan to build especially now that I found the #25 9T motor sprocket will get the 80T #25 sprocket bolted to the freewheel. It will be another front mount if I can get a 20" back rim on the front of a 20" bike.

The result with the 20" wheel according to sprocket calculator basically comes out to 9 * 9 = 81 @ 16,5 mph.

That said I am not sure how it will compare to a hub motor but I do also have the option of running a cooling fan with the Unite motor.

The 850W hub motor will beat the 500W motor no doubt but am not sure about all the other stuff however I do know that with a pot. it will be much easier to control than that 850W beast. Also a lot cheaper to build as that 850W kit cost about $260.

The Unite motor was $50 + $10 for the controller and about $30 for the 80T and #25 chain and $15 for the 9T motor sprocket and $15 for motor brackets.

$120 vs $260. We will see if I can get it working. The main reason for the hub motor on the Diamondback is when I switch to Lipo and paint the wood battery compartment on the back and install a lid with a lock it will look really good. The same thing with the Schwinn. If I remove the rear milk crate on the back and install a professional looking battery bag like is on the front of the DiamondBack it will look really good. Thanks for posting and is there a similar simulater for chain drive motors. Thanks.

LC. out.

 

[DrkAngel]

Switched to "Lbs Thrust" to more clearly demonstrate gearing affect.

.....
. . . . .. .. . .. ... .16.5mph geared vs 37mph geared

Same ~850w output motor at full throttle on 8.5% grade hill.
System A is 16.5mph geared = 16.4mph on mild hill : System B is 37mph geared = 4.1mph on mild hill

Same ~850w output motor at full throttle on 8.5% grade hill.

16mph geared
1162w battery output
806w motor output
16.4mph
efficiency 69.3%
range 5.1 miles
20% battery capacity required to climb hill
overheat in 23 minutes

vs

37mph geared
1162w battery output
160w motor output
4.1mph
efficiency 13.8%
range 1.3 mile
80% battery capacity required to climb hill
overheat in 5.1 minutes

Notes:
"16.5mph and 37mph geared" based on motor rated watts at specific Volts, Amps and rpm.
"Wheel size" used to simulate gearing.

Produced using - http://www.ebikes.ca/tools/simulator

 

[Sunder]

Avoid these Red flags!
No pedaling
Excessive speed
Filtering through stopped vehicles
Coasting through stop signs etc.
Too fast on sidewalks
Riding against traffic
Acting like an A__hole
Anything that attracts undo attention!

In Australia, we have such an anti-cyclist mentality, that if someone obeyed all the laws, people would be thinking "He's behaving too well for a cyclist. I bet he has something to hide... Maybe those pannier bags have drugs in them."

 

[latecurtis]

As the Hub Motor Turns and the LiPo Fire Burns. Hub vs chain drive motors. Summer event!

So much has been posted here and almost unlimited information documented over the years that I think we should honer an annual event right here on As . . . . . . . . .

I now have both. Actually two of each. The Schwinn equipped with 1,000W @48V hub motor vs the 24" bike with a Unite 48V 1,000W chain drive motor.

The D Back with 850W@ 48V vs A 20" bike with a 750W@36V Unite motor on the front.

Once I replace the 56T with a 65T for the front 20" wheel on the Huffy 24" bike the 20" wheel perfect for another 20" build with a 48V 1,000W motor but at 36V, 750W and 2,250 rpm.

I am still building the 500W with the #25 chain and 16.5 mph gearing with the new pot also for a late night downtown drunk sidewalk special. The D Back is a great gorgeous looking successful build but capable of hurting me if I am not sober and alert enough to operate it.lol. Thanks guys for posting.

Sincerely LC out.

 

[DAND214]

LC said: I think we should honer an annual event right here on As

So we are to sharpen what on As?
What is As and what EVENT is to be sharpened?

Dan

 

[DrkAngel]

As the Hub Motor Turns and the LiPo Fire Burns. Hub vs chain drive motors. Summer event!

So much has been posted here and almost unlimited information documented over the years that I think we should honer an annual event right here on As . . . . . . . . .
Sincerely LC out.

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. . . . . . .. . . . .. .. . . . . Thread in review.

Lots of good info!
What to do and ... what not to do!

Should choose a theme.
Some suggestions ...

LCs Greatest Hits ... and Misses? (Swinging for the fence ... while drunk)

or

Dr. Kangels eBike Clinic (Take the medicine ... Take the medicine! ... Take the medicine!! ... Take the medicine!!! ... etc. )

 

[latecurtis]

So we are to sharpen what on As?

As the Hub Motor Turns and the LiPo Fire burns. I just did not feel like typing it all out. :lol:

Playing Pirates Tides of Fortune. I got three havens and play in two servers. :lol:

I got to get off my butt and start moving stuff. The only bike here now is the Schwinn. The 20" bike with the 533W motor sits over there with a flat back tire.
The Currie , 24" bike and all the parts and frames are over there also. I will post later. Thanks.

LC. out.

 

[latecurtis]

As the Hub motor Turns and the LiPo Fire Burns. $500

Johnny. Marys son brought me the 2005 Dodge Caravan with 115K miles. It has insurance until the 26 of next month.

Just got finished moving most of my stuff over. He drives truck and wants to give me $500 for the Clear Creek Schwinn with the front kit Sunder sent.
He needs it for his camp when he goes camping. I really did not want to ever sell it but Johnny really loves the bike. He will take really good care of it.
I am throwing in the 48V SLA pack.

I have not drove it a lot and was never going to sell it and told him to get a kit and install it on a bike himself but he is out on the road a lot and has little time.
He also told me there is a market for e bikes in Ohio and if I build them he can sell them.

If Johnny was not FAMILY I would not do this but I have been with Mary. His mother for going on 20 years and have also known Johnny that long. The bike will have a very good home and this forum will in fact have a new member as I am telling him that is part of the deal. This way he can get proper good advice from you guys. I will start by having DA or one of you recommend a good 48V SLA charger. Also if he wishes to switch to LiPo in the future I know you guys will steer him in the right direction. He will even post pictures of the bike.

I will have him post after I am finished with this post. He will introduce himself. As soon as he pays me I will be ordering a 48V 1,500W rear hub kit, two more 10.0 LiPo packs and a 72V brushless controller. After that I will be looking for a bike suitable for the build. I want one that you guys think will be safe for 40 mph. Thanks.

LC. out.