latecurtis
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I should be able to plug balance wires in before I even switch to charge posistion if switch has a center off posistion.
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latecurtis
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Switch for power wires should work also when I caN AFFORD THE 16000S
DrkAngel
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Serial to parallel is diagrammed and explained on page 30, along with link to purchase $12.58 switch.
latecurtis
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I see how it will work for 12s charging .Im confused about it for 6s and dont quite get the diagram. I will order the switch Monday then and we will go from there. I will get someone to hook it up. I should have done all that way back then but i changed my mind about switching and got off track with that Lipo board thing so this whole delay is my fault. i am just glad that you guys had the patience to stick with me until I got back on the right track. I will try to get two day shipping on that.
I consider that project finished then. Ill post after I order the switch then on monday.
I will be looking up that 1500 watt 7000 rpm brushless motor for the all chrome 43 mph chopper build next week and controller. Im glad we are finally moving on.. Thanks Latecurtis.
I consider that project finished then. Ill post after I order the switch then on monday.
I will be looking up that 1500 watt 7000 rpm brushless motor for the all chrome 43 mph chopper build next week and controller. Im glad we are finally moving on.. Thanks Latecurtis.
DrkAngel
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Switch - 2nd diagram is for switching pack from 12s to 6s.
DrkAngel
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I have to recommend going this way!DrkAngel said:DrkAngel said:
Less confusing?
Added dual connector with jumper wire to diagram and angled the Y wires
To switch from run to charge: KISS ©®
1. remove jumper connector
2. remove volt meter alarms
3. remove controller
.... 44.4V Battery .... 48V Controller ....
4. plug in power 2Y and balance Y from charger
(always leave Ys connected to charger )
.... 2x 22.2V Batteries .... 22.2V Charger ....
As simple and idiot proof as possible!
Unless unable to tell red from black ...
Possible with directionalized bullet connectors to further idiot proof! ... if deemed necessary?
1. Add power switch between battery and controller
2. Add fuse!
3. Build batteries into 6s2p packs 1st.
4. Leave Power and Balance Ys permanently attached to charger
Controller to charger swap
1. Disconnect 2 power leads and central jumper (remove volt meter alarms)
2. Plug in 2 power Y as shown
3. Plug in Balance Y
Charger to controller swap
1. Disconnect 2 power Y and Balance Y (Re-install volt meter alarms)
2. Re-install central jumper
3. Connect 2 power leads
Every step of complexity you try to add results in a geometric progression of failure-damage-danger potential!
Of course you can try any enhancement you want ...
Highly recommend you learn how to use your multimeter!!!
Hooking up battery to charger and getting "Reverse Polarity" is a sure sign you screwed up your wiring.
Easy to have known or confirmed if you tested with your multimeter ... before you hooked to the controller and possibly destroyed it.
KISS ©®
Oh!
Recommend you not keep controller or charger in metal box.
They both need proper cooling - ventilation! (Controller can put out 100's of watts of heat = easy to cook and burn!)
latecurtis
100 MW
Page 34 part way down . shows where I mounted the controller. Also shows the Trek with the hub motor already installed. The trek is cromolly frame except for the aluminum forks with the front kit I installed myself. Doug just swapped the forks because the forks that were on the trek were not wide enough. He did not have to uninstall or reinstall the hub motor to do so. I successfully installed the front kit myself after Doug put the tube and tire on it.
Not sure how much a 12s charger would be but the switch for that would be really simple and install right in the top of the metal box the batteries are in. I wont be using the second metal box for a charger or controller. Once I get the extentions for the bullet power and balance so I can use the Lipo bags in the box I will have a switch installed by a professional. The older guy who upgraded the currie last spring. He is an electrical engenner with over 5 and a half years of college. I think he has his masters degree. I owe him $80 and have been to his 4 times in the last 3 months to pay him. I will catch up to him eventually. Doug will hook up the brake levers and sensors and make sure the pedal gears work properley.
I have been doing lots of walking for my heart. I lost about 6 pounds in the last 3 weeks. down to 244 from 251. Blood pressure down under 150 also over 65 . Getting healthy is my first priority then e bikes after that. I would like to trade one of my chargers for a 12s charger if i could. I think it would make the switch much more simple and cheap compared to the one you posted. If I am wrong let me know. There still is some time as I dont want to rush this. I have to get the plug extentions first anyway. Thanks Latecurtis.
Not sure how much a 12s charger would be but the switch for that would be really simple and install right in the top of the metal box the batteries are in. I wont be using the second metal box for a charger or controller. Once I get the extentions for the bullet power and balance so I can use the Lipo bags in the box I will have a switch installed by a professional. The older guy who upgraded the currie last spring. He is an electrical engenner with over 5 and a half years of college. I think he has his masters degree. I owe him $80 and have been to his 4 times in the last 3 months to pay him. I will catch up to him eventually. Doug will hook up the brake levers and sensors and make sure the pedal gears work properley.
I have been doing lots of walking for my heart. I lost about 6 pounds in the last 3 weeks. down to 244 from 251. Blood pressure down under 150 also over 65 . Getting healthy is my first priority then e bikes after that. I would like to trade one of my chargers for a 12s charger if i could. I think it would make the switch much more simple and cheap compared to the one you posted. If I am wrong let me know. There still is some time as I dont want to rush this. I have to get the plug extentions first anyway. Thanks Latecurtis.
latecurtis
100 MW
http://www.ebay.com/itm/44V-48V-50-4V-4A-Lithium-ion-LiPo-Li-Po-Battery-Charger-12S-12x-3-6V-3-7V-Lion-/321188975380?pt=US_Rechargeable_Batteries&hash=item4ac85ad314#ht_7081wt_1051
I am not sure if the mega charger Dan sent is a 12s or not. I think a 6s. With a 12s charger i could hook the switch up myself with a little diagram from Drkangel. I would not need an electrical engineer. That was the first 12s charger that popped up. About what i paid for the sky charger. Wish i knew that then. I know that you guys are used to hooking and unhooking things and see no sense in na switch. But I bet if you had a switch and used it awhile you would never want to go back to plugging and unplugging every time.. Thanks. Latecurtis.
I am not sure if the mega charger Dan sent is a 12s or not. I think a 6s. With a 12s charger i could hook the switch up myself with a little diagram from Drkangel. I would not need an electrical engineer. That was the first 12s charger that popped up. About what i paid for the sky charger. Wish i knew that then. I know that you guys are used to hooking and unhooking things and see no sense in na switch. But I bet if you had a switch and used it awhile you would never want to go back to plugging and unplugging every time.. Thanks. Latecurtis.
DrkAngel
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Well, with a bulk charger ... there is no need to "switch" anything.
Just an on/off switch when not using or controller will slowly bleed down the battery.
Plug in charger to charger port
Charge
Just need the volt meter alarms to monitor and confirm bank voltages being proper-safe. - Alternative to balance charging every cycle.
Just an on/off switch when not using or controller will slowly bleed down the battery.
Plug in charger to charger port
Charge
Just need the volt meter alarms to monitor and confirm bank voltages being proper-safe. - Alternative to balance charging every cycle.
latecurtis
100 MW
probabley not going to portable charge if im running both packs. will charge at home. Not sure what size bullet plug extenders I need . 12 to 14 inches long though. I am ordering them on e bay. they must plug in to the lipos. other end dont matter cause its getting cut and hard wired to switch. then running bullet plugs from the switch out the holes in the cash box for run and charge. I will do a diagram of the switch. will need to know what size bullets i got comming from the lipos and a ebay link for those and the balance plugs. They will plug in manually no switch so need to be really long maby 16 or 18 inches. I will order those first. will need them either way for 12s or 6s charging so I want to order them first awhile Im deciding. Thanks post the links if you can will order tommorow. Thanks Latecurtis out.
latecurtis
100 MW
yes with the switch i can leave the controller plugged in all the time. thats the idea. controller has on and off switch on back of it
DrkAngel
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Charger quick connect included.latecurtis said:
$86 for 4A 12s bulk charger isn't a bad price ...DrkAngel said:
But I would use a MeanWell S-150-48 as a 12s 3A bulk charger. ($27).
Main advantage being adjustable charge voltage allows trimming for optimal battery life-performance!
See - S-150-48 Mods
DrkAngel
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Bulk Charging
Please Note - many bulk type chargers recommend connecting charger to battery before AC connection.
This might create a full voltage 30 - 50V equalization spark to the connection plug, corroding it and causing a backwash into the charger.
With my MeanWell builds I power up the charger 1st.
This creates a minor spark of 3 - 6V intensity as charger is connected to battery.
Much better, safer and I can't imagine as being of any possible damage to any component.
Proprietary bulk charger might have some proprietary circuit that requires charger not powered 1st? (read instructions!)
Please Note - many bulk type chargers recommend connecting charger to battery before AC connection.
This might create a full voltage 30 - 50V equalization spark to the connection plug, corroding it and causing a backwash into the charger.
With my MeanWell builds I power up the charger 1st.
This creates a minor spark of 3 - 6V intensity as charger is connected to battery.
Much better, safer and I can't imagine as being of any possible damage to any component.
Proprietary bulk charger might have some proprietary circuit that requires charger not powered 1st? (read instructions!)
DrkAngel
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Bulk charging with ≤50.4V bulk charger or power supply.
Just plug it in when you want to charge.
No need to "switch" anything!
Just plug it in when you want to charge.
No need to "switch" anything!
latecurtis
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latecurtis
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Notice in the 6s switch diagram how the switch bridges the 22.2 volt connections going in after the switch making all 4 - 22.2 volt bricks 22.2 volts. The series connection for 44.4 volts is also accomplished after the switch. Hopefully that will avoid the disaster scenario I realized when looking back at my other switch designs. There would have been some serious fireworks if I hooked any of them up,
You were not kidding about understanding basic connections before learning complex switches. However I think I am finally there. This is the switch I will need for 6s balance charging. The 6s diagram will have all the balance connectors just like in the 12s switch diagram. If I were to place a bet right now I would say that you guys are going to tell me that the 12s switch will not work for balance charging. Only bulk charging.
If that is the case it’s the good news bad news thing for me. Good news I won’t need a 12s charger.
The bad news is where will I find the switch which will do that. Will the one on page 30 work. If so it must mount in the top of the cash box like in the 12s diagram.
I think Grimmers electronics has one for $30. I priced it a few weeks ago. I have been walking every day for my heart and joining the gym today. I can wait longer on this build. I am not changing my mind this time about the switch.
The reason I changed my mind before was I knew my design was flawed to say the least and to avoid the embarrassment plus the fire and smoke decided against it. Please look carefully at these two switch diagrams though and post them like you do with your diagrams. If I am still making a mistake that may cause fire and smoke please let me know so I can correct it.
You were not kidding about understanding basic connections before learning complex switches. However I think I am finally there. This is the switch I will need for 6s balance charging. The 6s diagram will have all the balance connectors just like in the 12s switch diagram. If I were to place a bet right now I would say that you guys are going to tell me that the 12s switch will not work for balance charging. Only bulk charging.
If that is the case it’s the good news bad news thing for me. Good news I won’t need a 12s charger.
The bad news is where will I find the switch which will do that. Will the one on page 30 work. If so it must mount in the top of the cash box like in the 12s diagram.
I think Grimmers electronics has one for $30. I priced it a few weeks ago. I have been walking every day for my heart and joining the gym today. I can wait longer on this build. I am not changing my mind this time about the switch.
The reason I changed my mind before was I knew my design was flawed to say the least and to avoid the embarrassment plus the fire and smoke decided against it. Please look carefully at these two switch diagrams though and post them like you do with your diagrams. If I am still making a mistake that may cause fire and smoke please let me know so I can correct it.
latecurtis
100 MW
I did not make the bank today to make the deposit for the plug extensions and balance extensions I will need to place the bricks inside the LIPO bag. I will wait until I find the correct switch and post the links for everything so I can order everything at once. Thanks Latecurtis out.
latecurtis
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I already own two 6s chargers . Must go with 6s switch. buying another charger makes no sense. Thanks Latecurtis.
ronnieb52
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I was wondering? Have you tried just charging and balancing any of the batteries at all? Before you wire all this up you probably should at least do one at a time and see how it works.
At least then you know that all the batteries are fully charged and balanced.
At least then you know that all the batteries are fully charged and balanced.
latecurtis
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I must charge them all togeather if i am running them all togeather. Right now the switch dont matter. What matters is getting extentions for the bullet connectors comming out of the lipos plus extensions for the balance plugs. i need these so i can combine the two packs and run all the wires out of the lipo bag. I dont even have the links i need for that. the switch i can get for 30 bucks later. right now i need the extensions. can somebody please post a link for them.
thanks and happy new year. latecurtis out
thanks and happy new year. latecurtis out
latecurtis
100 MW
Dan told me I should charge all the packs together. That way I can run them all together. If I were going to split the packs up the thing would already be up and running. The big hold up right now is not the switch. Its the plugs!!! I choose for safety reasons to charge all 4 - Lipo batteries inside the Lipo bag which will be secured with gorilla tape inside of a metal box. Since I have little choice I choose to charge these things inside of my house in my kitchen. Better than running a 100 foot extension cord into my back yard in the freezing cold. I even bought a fire extinguisher. The metal box I posted pictures of. I don't see any sense at all in constantly handling the Lipo batteries. I guess everybody else unhooks them and takes them out of the bag and mounts them to the bike frame every time they run their bike and unhooks everything every time they want to charge. I see that as a lot of unnecessary wear and tear on the plugs coming out of the Lipos. Also I see lots of opportunities for error. Making a mistake hooking these things up can cause electrical shock and possible fire.
To do this safely I will need extensions for the bullet plugs coming out of the batteries as well as the balance plugs. I still don't know if I can run all 4 balance plugs into one balance plug and extend that out of the Lipo bag with enough length to reach a charger. Or do I need two balance plugs coming out of the Lipo bag each plug hooked to a Y balance plug and two batteries? Also after I posted the two switches nobody except for one person has posted. Nobody even looked at them. I don't even know if I can balance charge if I bulk charge. (figure 12s charging) posted a few days ago.
That don't really matter though I guess as I am not spending any more money on a 12s charger when I own 2 6s chargers. I just want to use the 6s diagram but in a Lipo bag as illustrated in the (figure 12s charging) diagram. I just did not see any sense in doing another diagram that nobody even looks at. I just want to know if the 6s diagram is correct and if it will work. nobody has to like it or approve of it. I approve of it because it will be as easy and safe to use as - 4 - SLAs with a 48 volt charger.
I guess I will have to find out myself. Nobody wants me to use a switch , so nobody can let me know if the 6s charging diagram will even work or not. I see many people on this forum very set in their ways and not comfortable with change even if it is for the better. Nobody can tell me its faster or safer to constantly unplug and plug the plugs coming out of Lipo batteries every time you want to run or charge. The wear and tear on the wires is not safe or efficient. eventually a power wire can break or short out. To me having a switch makes total sense. To everybody else on this forum it is totally out of the question. I guess this is where we part ways. Its been fun. Thanks.. Latecurtis out.
To do this safely I will need extensions for the bullet plugs coming out of the batteries as well as the balance plugs. I still don't know if I can run all 4 balance plugs into one balance plug and extend that out of the Lipo bag with enough length to reach a charger. Or do I need two balance plugs coming out of the Lipo bag each plug hooked to a Y balance plug and two batteries? Also after I posted the two switches nobody except for one person has posted. Nobody even looked at them. I don't even know if I can balance charge if I bulk charge. (figure 12s charging) posted a few days ago.
That don't really matter though I guess as I am not spending any more money on a 12s charger when I own 2 6s chargers. I just want to use the 6s diagram but in a Lipo bag as illustrated in the (figure 12s charging) diagram. I just did not see any sense in doing another diagram that nobody even looks at. I just want to know if the 6s diagram is correct and if it will work. nobody has to like it or approve of it. I approve of it because it will be as easy and safe to use as - 4 - SLAs with a 48 volt charger.
I guess I will have to find out myself. Nobody wants me to use a switch , so nobody can let me know if the 6s charging diagram will even work or not. I see many people on this forum very set in their ways and not comfortable with change even if it is for the better. Nobody can tell me its faster or safer to constantly unplug and plug the plugs coming out of Lipo batteries every time you want to run or charge. The wear and tear on the wires is not safe or efficient. eventually a power wire can break or short out. To me having a switch makes total sense. To everybody else on this forum it is totally out of the question. I guess this is where we part ways. Its been fun. Thanks.. Latecurtis out.
latecurtis
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http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9176__Turnigy_5000mAh_6S_20C_Lipo_Pack.html
I saw these as I was checking to see what size the bullet plugs were. 4mm. I was not sure. That's a really good price for 6s bricks. I wont get 4s bricks as when the switch gets hooked up it will be for 4- 6s bricks. I wont ever have to change that if I only run 6s. 1 switch forever. If I can find somebody in an electronics store that can tell me if (6s charging) will work.
I saw these as I was checking to see what size the bullet plugs were. 4mm. I was not sure. That's a really good price for 6s bricks. I wont get 4s bricks as when the switch gets hooked up it will be for 4- 6s bricks. I wont ever have to change that if I only run 6s. 1 switch forever. If I can find somebody in an electronics store that can tell me if (6s charging) will work.
DAND214
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LatCurtis, look in your mail, I gave you my # a while back.
I can and will answer your questions.
If you look at DrkAngels diagrams for 12s1p setup it's for 4 bricks setup as 12s1p. So if you have combined 2 bricks as one that is what he has shown.
I've kinda stayed away since you wouldn't listen and I just said WTF I quit.
I wired it as simple as DA showed but you changed them so I had no idea anymore.
As for your swich. You need a switch that can carry 30+amps and has a wide switch distance between contacts or they will arc.
Dan
I can and will answer your questions.
If you look at DrkAngels diagrams for 12s1p setup it's for 4 bricks setup as 12s1p. So if you have combined 2 bricks as one that is what he has shown.
I've kinda stayed away since you wouldn't listen and I just said WTF I quit.
I wired it as simple as DA showed but you changed them so I had no idea anymore.
As for your swich. You need a switch that can carry 30+amps and has a wide switch distance between contacts or they will arc.
Dan
DrkAngel
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Trying to clarify 6s2p
Simplify all diagrams by combining pars of batteries as they will be used. - 6s2p
Pos & Neg power Y and balance Y to 1st create 6s2p bricks.
44.4V controller
22.2V charger
KISS ©®
Simplify all diagrams by combining pars of batteries as they will be used. - 6s2p
Pos & Neg power Y and balance Y to 1st create 6s2p bricks.
44.4V controller
22.2V charger
KISS ©®
latecurtis
100 MW
I have been pricing the connectors. I also got an idea. If I can get a really good pair of rubber gloves electricions use that are shock proof I think i may be able to do without the switch. A switch like that is extreamley difficult to find.
I hope to order the wires and plugs I need soon. I am also looking for a really good pair of insulated gloves like the guys who climb up a power pole electric company people wear there should be no chance of getting zapped.
I know what plugs I need. I just have to order them. Thanks. Latecurtis.
I hope to order the wires and plugs I need soon. I am also looking for a really good pair of insulated gloves like the guys who climb up a power pole electric company people wear there should be no chance of getting zapped.
I know what plugs I need. I just have to order them. Thanks. Latecurtis.
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