LewTwo
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Worth noting another trend ...
Places Are Now BANNING EVs Over FIRE RISKS
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What a disproportionately overblown propaganda video. It opens with the Luton airport fire which was determined to be caused by an electrical fault in a diesel vehicle. Doesn't stop the narrator from suggesting:
"Initially the fire that ravaged the car park was attributed to a diesel vehicle. However, as more evidence came to light, it became apparent that the real culprit might have been an electric vehicle. Video footage from the scene revealed signs that strongly suggest the fire originated from a battery, likely from an EV." Notice the narrator never flat out says it was definitely caused by an EV, just suggests it and lets the viewer come to the conclusion that the narrator wants them to.
Then moves to a fire at a golf club, caused by golf cart batteries, rather than full-sized EV batteries.
Then discusses one, only one hospital group in Australia asking employees not to charge their EVs on site. Despite still allowing it for EVs leased by their own company, according to two different sources.
The video is conveniently coming in right around the 10-minute mark, which is of course the cutoff for optimized YouTube monetization. What a coincidence.
I don't like the proliferation of massive EVs either, but that's cuz they're cars, which I think we should need less of in general, regardless of what powers them. Obviously biased propaganda like this shouldn't be given a wider audience.
"Initially the fire that ravaged the car park was attributed to a diesel vehicle. However, as more evidence came to light, it became apparent that the real culprit might have been an electric vehicle. Video footage from the scene revealed signs that strongly suggest the fire originated from a battery, likely from an EV." Notice the narrator never flat out says it was definitely caused by an EV, just suggests it and lets the viewer come to the conclusion that the narrator wants them to.
Then moves to a fire at a golf club, caused by golf cart batteries, rather than full-sized EV batteries.
Then discusses one, only one hospital group in Australia asking employees not to charge their EVs on site. Despite still allowing it for EVs leased by their own company, according to two different sources.
The video is conveniently coming in right around the 10-minute mark, which is of course the cutoff for optimized YouTube monetization. What a coincidence.
I don't like the proliferation of massive EVs either, but that's cuz they're cars, which I think we should need less of in general, regardless of what powers them. Obviously biased propaganda like this shouldn't be given a wider audience.
Chalo
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Matt 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Y'all get back to me about this important issue when your stinking pickup trucks don't carry 40 gallons of gasoline with them. M'kay?
Y'all get back to me about this important issue when your stinking pickup trucks don't carry 40 gallons of gasoline with them. M'kay?
wturber
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This is from a low subscriber channel and the video itself has few views. The Luton fire was started by a diesel fuel car fire. There's actual video of it. It seems reasonable to assume that the non-EV cars in the Luton car park had a bit less than half a tank of fuel. That's mostly what was burning. Based on the evidence, this massive fire has nothing to do with EVs.
Putting it all together, it seems likely to me that this is a small channel trying to get attention via hyperbole. And when I look at the channel's thumbnails and headlines, what do I see?
SHOCKING REALITY! Tesla's Build Quality ...
STAY ALERT!: EV owners Give WARNINGS ...
SHOCKING EV FAILURES!: GM's EV NIGHTMARE ...
EVS ON FIRE!: EVs BURSTING into Flames ...
THIS IS THE END!: EV Market JOB CRISIS!...
Those are the first five videos. Not cherry picked. The pattern continues with other videos.
Here's some info on their "About" on YouTube
"Welcome to Green Car Buzz, your premier destination for the latest and most exciting updates in the world of Cars, Electric Vehicles (EVs), Alternative Fuels, and cutting-edge Automotive Technology. Our passion drives us to deliver not just news, but a comprehensive experience, blending top-tier information with entertainment. ..."
and ...
Disclaimer: Our channel focuses on entertainment, blending news, rumors, and speculation. Content includes opinions, info, and commentary.In short, this is from a bullshit channel intent on denigrating EVs. On all topics people need to be more careful about looking at sources. This will get more and more important and more and more difficult with AI video and nearly universal photo and video editing becoming available.
Chalo
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I didn't have to check out the video or anything else to know it's horse puckey. All you have to know is that anyone wailing about EV fires without noting that gasoline cars are an orders of magnitude bigger problem, is lying to you.
wturber
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Sure. Just the way the Luton fire was described was enough set of the BS detector. But the closer look also shows there's an agenda.
Chalo
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The fire rate of electric vehicles is 61 times lower than that of gasoline vehicles - VinFast Global Community
Only 25 out of 100,000 all-electric vehicles are likely to catch fire, compared to more than 1,500 gasoline vehicles and nearly 3,500 hybrid vehicles,
community.vinfastauto.us
Oh dear. You brought up the AutoInsuranceEZ-funded study, which is the only one out there with this statistic, and therefore gets cited in dozens of other "articles." That's like a bat signal for @Hillhater. Guess I'll have to keep an eye on this thread for when it gets out of hand...The fire rate of electric vehicles is 61 times lower than that of gasoline vehicles - VinFast Global Community
Only 25 out of 100,000 all-electric vehicles are likely to catch fire, compared to more than 1,500 gasoline vehicles and nearly 3,500 hybrid vehicles,
Here, I'll beat him to it in an attempt to pre-diffuse the situation:
www.caranddriver.com
Tl;dr is that there's way too many variables to make a definitive claim about what kind of car catches fire more often than the other.
Which, frankly, is the point I was trying to make in response to the video from the first post. It's likely to be propaganda in either direction, so let's try to keep the blatant fearmongering to a minimum.
No, Millions of Cars Are Not Catching Fire Every Year
A New York Times story about U.S. car fires references a study that gets the frequency wrong by a factor of at least 60.
Tl;dr is that there's way too many variables to make a definitive claim about what kind of car catches fire more often than the other.
Which, frankly, is the point I was trying to make in response to the video from the first post. It's likely to be propaganda in either direction, so let's try to keep the blatant fearmongering to a minimum.
LewTwo
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2011 Ford Ranger short wheel base about 17 gallons.
Full size EV batteries are just like e-bikes, but more cells, dude.
That's a lot of moving parts and weight.
Not sure what point you're trying to make/clarify?
LewTwo
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Clarification:
The reason that I posted this to be begin with was not the authors claims about the dangers of Lithium batteries but rather the trend of some places banning electric vehicles. That is something that we need to keep aware of.
The reason that I posted this to be begin with was not the authors claims about the dangers of Lithium batteries but rather the trend of some places banning electric vehicles. That is something that we need to keep aware of.
wturber
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Sure. But is this video evidence of that or just evidence of some people's strong bias against EVs?
I'm frankly much more concerned about blowback on ebikes. And I don't see them as generally coming from the same sources.
Trend? The video mentioned one place, with exceptions for higher ups and their personal cars which were still allowed to be charged. If there is a trend of banning EV charging, I feel like that would indeed be worthy of a discussion. But one overblown video about one incident doesn't make a "trend."
offGridDownUnder
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Not at all! The cars that catch on fire are 100% more likely to catch on fire than the cars that don't.
And... I too am concerned about any trend to ban electric bicycles so I can understand the concern OP is pointing to at least.
Can't argue with that logic!
LewTwo
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Have you ever met a politician ?
There's another source of logic (or lack thereof) that I can't argue with
goatman
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i can easily see a day that PEVs get banned from public transport. all it will take is a battery fire on a subway car that kills a bunch of passengers to do it. did you guys see the guy get BBQ'd in the elevator
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