Sur-Ron - New Mid drive Bike

[3DTOPO]

I'm also running TuBliss in the rear w/ low pressure. That probably makes a much larger difference in range than the wheel diameter.

I've started researching Nuetech TuBliss and it seems they are lighter than standard tube not to mention HD ones? How do you feel about them, are they worth it? Is it hard to switch tires when running tubliss?

It's horseshit; don't trouble yourself about it.

Why so? On paper it seems great...

Other people report liking them in this thread. Maybe try searching for more opinions?

Personally I've been running tubeless (not TuBliss) for years and couldn't be happier.

 

[Chalo]

I've started researching Nuetech TuBliss and it seems they are lighter than standard tube not to mention HD ones? How do you feel about them, are they worth it? Is it hard to switch tires when running tubliss?

It's horseshit; don't trouble yourself about it.

Why so? On paper it seems great...

Adding tires to a tire makes it heavier and slower and more complicated to service. Tubeless is already a non-benefit, trading fixing flats in the field for dicking around with your tires constantly and making a huge mess.

It's like folks assume nobody has been thinking about these things for the last 150 years.

Whatever you think is the awesome new thing for your bike? It's been tried. A long, long time ago, and it was found to be lacking/sucking. That's why your bike didn't already have it.

 

[3DTOPO]

Tubeless is already a non-benefit, trading fixing flats in the field for dicking around with your tires constantly and making a huge mess.

To use your vernacular that is horseshit. Sounds like someone who doesn't have much experience going tubeless. You can't buy a high-end bicycle these days that tubeless isn't standard.

I was going through inner tubes like clean socks - tearing stem after stem. Now I haven't needed a single tube in years, and I've only had to add some fluid once in over two years from the initial conversion.

Plus, tubeless can seal punctures on the trail. There are many many advantages. Another is reduced spinning mass and allows for lower pressure than you can run on a tube.

 

[Chalo]

Dude, I have had at least a dozen coworkers for years now, who constantly dick around with their tubeless horseshit and make huge messes. These are pro mechanics! I can't even imagine the abominations that The Public come up with.

You're in denial. In twenty years you're going to be making fun of yourself for having fallen for it.

P.S. - The lowest pressure you can run in a tubed or tubeless tire is what keeps the rim from bashing the ground. That the same pressure either way. Stop repeating lies somebody told you.

 

[3DTOPO]

Dude, I have had at least a dozen coworkers for years now, who constantly dick around with their tubeless horseshit and make huge messes. These are pro mechanics! I can't even imagine the abominations that The Public come up with.

You're in denial. In twenty years you're going to be making fun of yourself for having fallen for it.

Dude - just cause you must of been around people who must not of known what they are doing.

My Yeti - cost nearly $10k came tubeless. No issue with it in years. Only one squirt from a syringe needed. No big mess or deal.

My Sur Ron has had no issues with tubeless in years. Same thing - only one squirt from a syringe.

 

[Chalo]

I deal with ex-tubeless stuff on the daily. Covered with heavy, sticky scabs. The tires will barely tear off the rim. No thanks.

I stand by my prediction that you'll make fun of yourself for buying the hype.

 

[3DTOPO]

I deal with ex-tubeless stuff on the daily. Covered with heavy, sticky scabs. The tires will barely tear off the rim. No thanks.

I stand by my prediction that you'll make fun of yourself for buying the hype.

You seriously crack me up.

It's not a matter of buying into any hype - they have more than proven themselves - for years and thousands of trouble-free miles.

It just works if you do it proper - even in a foot of snow when it's 10 below out I have not had an issue.

 

[Chalo]

I deal with ex-tubeless stuff on the daily. Covered with heavy, sticky scabs. The tires will barely tear off the rim. No thanks.

I stand by my prediction that you'll make fun of yourself for buying the hype.

You seriously crack me up.

It's not a matter of buying into any hype - they have more than proven themselves - for years and thousands of trouble-free miles.

It just works if you do it proper - even in a foot of snow when it's 10 below out I have not had an issue.

Whatever. I've probably dealt with a thousand times as many bikes as you have, for more than thirty years. What do I know? Only the paltry things that direct experience can teach you.

Check in with me in 20 to let me know what you think about tubeless with sealant.

Why do you think nobody uses it except bike wankers? When's the last time you heard of Stan's or Orange Seal in a car, or a motorcycle? A wheelbarrow? Literally anything else?

 

[3DTOPO]

Whatever. I've probably dealt with a thousand times as many bikes as you have, for more than thirty years.

Wow, can I like worship you?

I don't care how many bikes you've dealt with - tubeless is a well proven technology.

It's not really open for debate or speculation. You are clearly in some form of denial.

 

[Chalo]

I don't care how many bikes you've dealt with - tubeless is a well proven technology.

No, it's a fad. It'll go away. In the meantime and for years after it's passé it will torment those of us who have to service wankers' bikes.

 

[3DTOPO]

Why do you think nobody uses it except bike wankers? When's the last time you heard of Stan's or Orange Seal in a car, or a motorcycle? A wheelbarrow? Literally anything else?

Really showing your ignorance.

"By 1955 tubeless tires became standard equipment on new cars."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubeless_tire

 

[3DTOPO]

I don't care how many bikes you've dealt with - tubeless is a well proven technology.

No it's a fad. It'll go away. In the meantime and for years after it's passé it will torment those of us who have to service wankers' bikes.

Sure dude, keep humping that dream.

 

[Chalo]

Why do you think nobody uses it except bike wankers? When's the last time you heard of Stan's or Orange Seal in a car, or a motorcycle? A wheelbarrow? Literally anything else?

Really showing your ignorance.

"By 1955 tubeless tires became standard equipment on new cars."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubeless_tire

Does your car have sealant in the tires? Does anybody's?

 

[3DTOPO]

Does your car have sealant in the tires? Does anybody's?

You can actually go tubeless without the sealant. But the sealant repairs punctures and has other benefits.

 

[Chalo]

Does your car have sealant in the tires? Does anybody's?

You can actually go tubeless without the sealant. But the sealant repairs punctures and has other benefits.

If that were the custom, it wouldn't be nearly as loathsome. And nobody would use it after getting an unrepairable flat on the road or trail.

 

[3DTOPO]

Does your car have sealant in the tires? Does anybody's?

You can actually go tubeless without the sealant. But the sealant repairs punctures and has other benefits.

If that were the custom, it wouldn't be nearly as loathsome. And nobody would use it after getting an unrepairable flat on the road or trail.

If you're running tubeless, why wouldn't you want punctures to automatically seal? Sure you can do it, but why?

And for the record, I can top off a tire with sealant in about 2-minutes. It's at least a couple magnitudes easier than changing an inner tube.

 

[Chalo]

And for the record, I can top off a tire with sealant in about 2-minutes. It's at least a couple magnitudes easier than changing an inner tube.

It doesn't disappear, and neither does the old sealant that isn't working anymore. It all just increases the problem. It's like adding duct tape over your undies instead of going to the bathroom.

 

[3DTOPO]

It doesn't disappear, and neither does the old sealant that isn't working anymore. It all just increases the problem. It's like adding duct tape over your undies instead of going to the bathroom.

It has not at all been even slightly an issue for me. You are inventing problems that have not been problems.

It's like when someone is fixed in their ways, or plain ignorant, so they make all kinds of excuses why they won't change.

 

[Chalo]

It doesn't disappear, and neither does the old sealant that isn't working anymore. It all just increases the problem. It's like adding duct tape over your undies instead of going to the bathroom.

It has not at all been even slightly an issue for me. You are inventing problems that have not been problems.

I deal with the aftermath of everybody's bike problems. You only have to make excuses for your own.

Replacing a tube is easy, clean, fast. Tubeless, not so much. One day maybe you'll live with someone who points out what a gross mess your stupid tires are. Maybe you'll be able to hear her/him in a way that I can't get through.

 

[3DTOPO]

Replacing a tube is easy, clean, fast. Tubeless, not so much. One day maybe you'll live with someone who points out what a gross mess your stupid tires are. Maybe you'll be able to hear her/him in a way that I can't get through.

You see, it's not a problem. I wore a tire out on one charge of sealant. There is no tube, there is nothing to fix or cleanup.

The only thing that is stupid is you trying to convince me there is a problem when I have had no issues with it after thousands of miles and hundreds of days on rough trails.

On the other hand, I had countless problems running tubes, and spent countless hours preparing and replacing them. Taking the rear wheel off the sur run, getting the tire off the rim, putting a new tube in, get the tire back on the rim and the wheel back on the bike takes some time and with tubes I was doing that as often as once a week.

After going tubeless, nothing! Nada! Zip! In fact, it works so well, that more than half a year will go by before I even have to add some air. Not the case with inner tubes.

 

[Cheburator]

Personally I've been running tubeless (not TuBliss) for years and couldn't be happier.

Have you converted standart Sur-ron wheels to tubeless? If yes, I would appreciate advice how to do it properly.
I want to go tubeless next season, but considered using TuBliss kit as it seems to be more reliable then gorilla tape or similar.
But if there is a trustworthy way of converting stock wheels to tubeless, I would be glad to save some $$$

P.S. You are paying too much attention to Chalo. He advices people to use mechanical brakes because he is having too much problems with hydraulics :lol:

 

[Merlin]

tubeless is great
tubliss works perfect. (the grip with 0,5bar is crazy)


forget ppl who are too dumb in using tubeless tires.

 

[ZeroEm]

Now we are name calling.

 

[SolarBeaver]

Have anyone measured the weight of Nuetech Tubliss? Is the whole setup with the rimrock installed lighter than regular tube + rimrock?

Also if someone is running Shinko SR241 with TuBliss setup could you please tell what's your experience on those tires on wet grass, soil, gravel and forest trails in general?
It seems to be harder to change tires with TuBliss, so I'm considering just running SR241 on both wheels most of the time. I have SR241's on stock rims and it's not that great on something wet, but with lower PSI it should get much better or am I mistaken?

I run 80% off-road 20% pavement, maybe I'm better off with Dunlop K990 for front and rear? It's for sure better for off-road, but I have some doubts about the pavement with those.

 

[smdub]

I run the SR241s and TuBliss rear. Trials tires will hook up on anything as long as they aren't packed w/ mud. Love the heck out of mine on the rear. Not as big a fan on the front. I originally put it on there to use the SurRon for the scout laps at Trials events - maybe even try to use it at one of them. It doesn't have tight enough steering so I gave up on the latter idea fairly quick. The SR241 on the front is fine at speed until it isn't. When it starts to wash out it is very sudden. A more typ dirt knobby is far more progessive. They also tend to have knobs much farther over on the side than a trials tire so you can lean over a MX knobby farther. I haven't measured my SR241 but its likely a lot softer durometer than nearly any mx tire except a hybrid enduro.

The E-XC had Michelin Starcross 5 Meds mounted when I picked it up. Hard as a rock (~75 ShoreA) and SUCKS in the wet over roots/rocks. Works great in wet & muddy single track though. I'm going to put the oem rear tire back on (its trials-like) the E-XC. Will keep the front on for now.