ADAPTTO Controllers - new functions discussion

[notger]

All they have been saying is that current controllers have reached memory limit.
That means no more new features, at all.

Thats a bit to absolute in my opinion.
Cause reprogramming the firmware could bring new features in, and some present features are not useable, or at least not for end users.
i remenber oleg telliung this to me.

"Chg Sensor Inv" - this is an engineering setting affecting charging. Just don't touch it since changing something may lead to inability of charging through the controller.

so why putting a setting on the controller that we, the end users should not touch, senseless in my opinion

 

[wannesd]

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75516#p1186281

 

[macribs]

Has any of the suggested new features and functions actually been added to the Adaptto? Maybe someone knows if any of these have made it to the Adaptto Road Map?
I understand developing new features is not done overnight, and will need to be tested etc but it would be nice if Adaptto themselves would spend some time on this thread giving comments or even put down a time line for those features that get picked up. Just a thought.

All they have been saying is that current controllers have reached memory limit.
That means no more new features, at all.

But yeah, they should be more open about new development, give us some kind of roadmap on what features as feasible for the new controller, what THEY have in mind, etc...

Well if more memory is needed I am sure there must be plenty of various options for that? It seems a little backwards to stop developing software and add ons features because of lack of hardware. If hardware is limiting Adaptto in any way they should just swap to better hardware - not use memory cap as a reason to lay back and do nothing.

Imagine what could be possible if Adaptto would make an API so that programmers could hack it ans share their updates for the community. I think it is strange to keep such a tight fist around all parts of their controller. By all means I understand their choice of not making their code open source. And that I respect. But not allowing the community to part take in making controllers even more useful just seems count productive to me. Adaptto could implement an API without sharing their code.

 

[macribs]

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=75516#p1186281

Thx for that link. Well at least Adaptto are planning more memory, so that is a good thing. If they now would "give us a way in" more brain power could be put to use moving forwards. Seems that Adaptto has kind of halted a bit. I know they have brushed up on the controllers main job - being a controller. And that their have been released newer versions of firmware. That is good. But if we look back to when they started Adaptto seems feature adding has not had a very high priority over at the Adaptto office.

That is why I think if they would open up an API the community could help with development of wanted features, and Adaptto could focus on keep building and improving their line of controllers. Maybe even add even bigger controllers.

 

[Mammalian04]

Since we are all talking about it on other threads.

SUPPORT FOR LIGHTNING RODS MID-DRIVE MOTORS!

I know this was already looked at but surely the brain geniuses at Adaptto can figure it out!

Hmm?, i actually us my adaptto on my GNG-LR-Mutant up to 3kW, whats your problem with it?

notger

Hi notger. Most people that have tried using with mid-drive motor are not having success and Adaptto officially says they had trouble too and are not pursuing troubleshooting to resolve.

Can you pop over to the Adaptto owners thread and tell us a bit about how you set up the controller with the LightningRods kit?

 

[Offroader]

What would be nice to add to the controller interface is seeing what you have your charge cut-off voltage set to when you press the left button when charging.

When I press the left button when charging it doesn't tell me what I have set my charge cut off voltage to. Since I am always changing this I have to go through setup to check it.

I also like to double check this value many times and it would be nice for it to be displayed when hitting the left button when the charge screen comes up.

 

[scrambler]

I know I am kind of repeating myself now, I've been asking for a connection to use cell phone rather then the original display.
Well I came across Iwoc today, and they got what you need to bring all kinds of fun functions to the Adaptto family of controllers.

I have to second this,

It looks to me like using a basic Android phone as the display for the controller would have a long list of advantages.

- Nice color touch screen for easier to use and navigate user interface.
- Easier to use programming interface with better on screen user feedback
- A standard powerful Software platform making it easy to develop new and more sophisticated functionality (passwords, mode locks, curve response programming, signal processing etc...)
- GPS and Bluetooth functionality built in
- Maps
- Access to many Anti theft & Tracking apps to secure your bike and track your trips
- Alarm
- SIM card support for anti theft functionality as well as possible Over The Air updates
- The whole range of Android Apps
- With the proper mount, possibility to remove the display when you leave the bike unattended

- A basic Small Android phone today could be sourced for very little money, so it would not raise the price much if any at all.
And the list can go on.

Basically, why reinvent the wheel, Adaptto could focus on its core strength and added value, which is the controller hardware, the functionality and user experience. Using an Android phone as the base for the display would make it a lot easier to develop new and more advanced software based functionality, allowing Adaptto to offer a much faster turnaround on new features. And of course, it would bring many of the standard features and benefits available in an Android phone at no cost.

My 2 cents

 

[Hedis]

How about a "Charge to store voltage"-function?
A option to disable throttle in eco mode for legal reasons when using PAS would be good.

 

[atarijedi]

I know I am kind of repeating myself now, I've been asking for a connection to use cell phone rather then the original display.
Well I came across Iwoc today, and they got what you need to bring all kinds of fun functions to the Adaptto family of controllers.

I have to second this,

It looks to me like using a basic Android phone as the display for the controller would have a long list of advantages.

- Nice color touch screen for easier to use and navigate user interface.
- Easier to use programming interface with better on screen user feedback
- A standard powerful Software platform making it easy to develop new and more sophisticated functionality (passwords, mode locks, curve response programming, signal processing etc...)
- GPS and Bluetooth functionality built in
- Maps
- Access to many Anti theft & Tracking apps to secure your bike and track your trips
- Alarm
- SIM card support for anti theft functionality as well as possible Over The Air updates
- The whole range of Android Apps
- With the proper mount, possibility to remove the display when you leave the bike unattended

- A basic Small Android phone today could be sourced for very little money, so it would not raise the price much if any at all.
And the list can go on.

Basically, why reinvent the wheel, Adaptto could focus on its core strength and added value, which is the controller hardware, the functionality and user experience. Using an Android phone as the base for the display would make it a lot easier to develop new and more advanced software based functionality, allowing Adaptto to offer a much faster turnaround on new features. And of course, it would bring many of the standard features and benefits available in an Android phone at no cost.

My 2 cents

I don't like the idea of needing a separate wireless interface, especially one as high level as Android. If for some reasons communications mess up, things could get sticky, fast. Building a controller based around an Arduino shouldn't be that difficult. I mean, a lot of the functionality already exists in ICs.

The closest to what you want would probably come from Sabvoton, they already have that Bluetooth/Android app, although it is super glitchy (and the error messages in Chinese), they should just release an API or datasheet on command structure.

 

[macribs]

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I know I am kind of repeating myself now, I've been asking for a connection to use cell phone rather then the original display. [strike]Well I came across Iwoc today, and they got what you need to bring all kinds of fun functions to the Adaptto family of controllers.[/strike]

I don't like the idea of needing a separate wireless interface, especially one as high level as Android. If for some reasons communications mess up, things could get sticky, fast. Building a controller based around an Arduino shouldn't be that difficult. I mean, a lot of the functionality already exists in ICs.

The closest to what you want would probably come from Sabvoton, they already have that Bluetooth/Android app, although it is super glitchy (and the error messages in Chinese), they should just release an API or datasheet on command structure.

But you see, adding an interface does not mean you got to use a smartphone. It only means you could use a smartphone if you like. You could just as easy use arduino or raspberryPI. Or even a combination of arduinio/raspPI and a smartphone. Or tablet. Or a one line 2$ LCD display.

As things are now, customers are pretty much locked in to use the default display. And that display is a sad story. Yes it does what is need to do, but not anything else.

The power of user driven developments are not to be understated. So many great projects are geared thanks to a active userbase. And letting Adaptto focus on their main area of expertise like hardware and firmware have so many advantages. Then the userbase could team up and do either open source apps, or even sell apps via appstore or adaptto controlled appstore. I must say it saddens me to see adaptto continue to neglect this. They already got great products in so many areas, pls make changes where needed. Like more memory and more interfaces.

I must say that the lack of responses from adaptto on this thread is kind of surprising to me. I would have thought they should be much more user oriented and active towards the userbase, future users and the general EV community at large.

 

[Offroader]

Just wondering what you guys think of something like this.

I find that as my voltage drops, from 82 volts down to 66 volts, 4.1 to 3.3 volts, my power output obviously falls and this screws with the consistency in controlling my bike wheelies.

I was wondering if adding a feature/function into the controller that automatically adjusts the phase and battery amps as the voltage drops to make up for the drop in voltage.

Would any of you even find this useful?

 

[Adverse Effects]

Just wondering what you guys think of something like this.

I find that as my voltage drops, from 82 volts down to 66 volts, 4.1 to 3.3 volts, my power output obviously falls and this screws with the consistency in controlling my bike wheelies.

I was wondering if adding a feature/function into the controller that automatically adjusts the phase and battery amps as the voltage drops to make up for the drop in voltage.

Would any of you even find this useful?

why not just add an accelerometer and a gyroscope and have it control the bike for you just like in a quad-copter

 

[scrambler]

I must say that the lack of responses from adaptto on this thread is kind of surprising to me. I would have thought they should be much more user oriented and active towards the userbase, future users and the general EV community at large.

I am with you on this. CA seems a lot more engaged with users than Adaptto (at least on this forum)
Hopefully that does not reflect their actual development effort

 

[BeachRider2016]

Can adaptto take 12v32ah input for charging a 13s 54.6v pack?
12x32ah=384w
384w/54.6v=max 7.0Ah charge

I wonder if my math is right and Adaptto can use it to charge at 7Ah max?

 

[Merlin]

i saw your question on 2 topics now

i dont understand what your question really is!?

adaptto controller charges (with COIL attached)
every battey you want.
12v Power supply works, but 24v is recommend.

if you charge with 12v PSU your 13s Battery with a 35A coil, it is ok.

 

[BeachRider2016]

i saw your question on 2 topics now

i dont understand what your question really is!?

adaptto controller charges (with COIL attached)
every battey you want.
12v Power supply works, but 24v is recommend.

if you charge with 12v PSU your 13s Battery with a 35A coil, it is ok.

Well, Im contemplating on using an old playstation3 power unit to charge. Its 12v32a rated. Since i got a few laying around the past few years, might put it to good use to charge my 13s pack. As long as it can charge in okay, no need to spend more money on new power charger ($100+)
Maybe if i put it in series, voltage be up to 24v and it will be better.

 

[atarijedi]

I'd like to be able to log data to the SD Card. Like, all the data available. Throw it in a CSV.

Speed, Battery voltage, battery current, phase voltage, phase current, rotor angle, FOC angle, hall sensor level, throttle position, PAS position, brake signal, Regen voltage, Regen current

 

[bigbore]

I would like to have just 2 more functions.
1) Have the possibility to set new values in Total Stats screen. If I swap to a new battery I would like to have the possibility to set the cycles cont to 0. Or is it already doable?
2) Have a BMS capable of bleeding 500mA to balance the cells.

 

[Offroader]

A nice feature to have would be a "test drive" mode.

Where you can set the controller to stop working after a certain distance. For example, I can set it to turn off and lock controller after .2 miles. This way I can let people I just met test ride my bike and they won't be able to ride off with it.

Of course you would make sure this works before letting someone you don't know test ride the bike.

 

[madin88]

For the hardware implemention, an input for e-brake (with separately configurable regen) together with an output signal for brake light would be nice to see.

On the screen it would be great to have, aside from the battery current also the actual phase current displayed.

 

[drew12345]

Is adaptto actually following this thread and doing any of these features?

 

[macribs]

I think they stopped like a year ago to follow. Was something about not enough memory to implement anything else.
Sad really for there have been tons of great ideas here. But it does not look like they will be implemented any day soon. This is from an old mans memory so take it with a grain of salt, but this is how I remember it was. If I am wrong it would be hysterical funny if some from the Adaptto crew would step in and correct me :lol: :lol: :wink:

 

[Offroader]

I figure Adaptto will eventually update the controller with a new model. They could then come here to look for ideas for stuff to add to the new controller.

It is a good thread to read through if you're looking for ideas for new features to implement.

I'm surprised Adaptto never updated their controller yet for a new model, but I'm sure they are working on it now. Honestly, the current controller is very good and we should be thankful they built it. If not, we probably would all be stuck with Lyen 18 fets or whatever china controller.

 

[macribs]

Well there are more then just Lyen and Infinions out there, price point of Adaptto considered. But yes they got great products, however I would not sink my money into adaptto yet. When they get a new design with more memory then I will sign up, given that they have kept up with at least some of the ideas in this thread.

As it stands this thread is probably great for any competitors that are running low in what ideas to implement for their new controller. Who knows maybe we see an "adaptto clone" with all the bells and whistles before adaptto even got their new hardware. Strange really that we haven't already seen adaptto clones with more add ons, at least when we think about the e-bike frame market. Where there are clones left and right.

 

[Offroader]

My guess would be that it takes a lot to program and build a controller. No big company would get involved for DIY ebikes.

Russia is just the sweet spot where their wages are so low and they have the electronics and programmer knowledge to make selling the controllers profitable. In Russia a programmer will earn maybe 200 a week, compared to 2,000 a week over here.

Ebike frames are much more easy to make, but even that you don't really have much progress. Most of the frames seem to be based on the vector. Qulbix and Stealth do a good job with innovation, but many of the other frame manufacturers just make knock-offs or vector style frames. They don't really design anything new or seem to make any improvements.

You would think most ebikes would look cool like this. But most are based on very basic and boxy design. Just no innovation really.