Adaptto Mini-E/Max-E Owner's Thread

[xenodius]

I'm most excited, by far, with the DC-DC converter listed as coming soon. That sort of integration would beat what I had in mind wiring up myself-- which would be rather complex. Would it have it's own separate set of control buttons or work through display entirely?

Depending on the price, the Micro-E has potential to be extremely popular with a lot of legal ebikers, between the simple and cheap charging solutions, the beautiful BMS, a nice display, easily programmable and great throttle settings... so wonderful.

The site looks great! Although before I could explore it too much, it seems it crashed.

Unrelated, does anyone know if it is possible to charge through multiple phases simultaneously? For example, 40 or 50 amps x 3, with a DIY coil?

 

[ridethelightning]

im iterested to know if the dc/dc converter can be used while riding as currently i understand the dc/dc can only be used with the charge coil connected and the motor doesnt like it one bit

it would be great to be able to power a horn,lights, indicators (stereo 8) ) etc off it while riding

 

[Adaptto E-Drives Lab]

Very excited about credit card payment, PAS and Micro-E!

Any idea on price for the Micro-E?

For now we cannot disclose the exact price because we haven't still estimated all the materials' costs and other expenses of producing Micro-E.

I'm most excited, by far, with the DC-DC converter listed as coming soon. That sort of integration would beat what I had in mind wiring up myself-- which would be rather complex. Would it have it's own separate set of control buttons or work through display entirely?

Depending on the price, the Micro-E has potential to be extremely popular with a lot of legal ebikers, between the simple and cheap charging solutions, the beautiful BMS, a nice display, easily programmable and great throttle settings... so wonderful.

The site looks great! Although before I could explore it too much, it seems it crashed.

Unrelated, does anyone know if it is possible to charge through multiple phases simultaneously? For example, 40 or 50 amps x 3, with a DIY coil?

Xenodius, the materials for DC-DC converters are already ordered. We will conduct one more test the next week. Hopefully it will be the last one thus there is a chance to start producing converters even before the New year.
It wil definitely have separate control unit.

By saying about the site crash you mean you couldn't access the web-page at all? Or was the loading speed too slow?


Regards,

 

[xenodius]

Xenodius, the materials for DC-DC converters are already ordered. We will conduct one more test the next week. Hopefully it will be the last one thus there is a chance to start producing converters even before the New year.
It wil definitely have separate control unit.

By saying about the site crash you mean you couldn't access the web-page at all? Or was the loading speed too slow?


Regards,

Excellent news! I can't wait! Yes, the site apparently went down but it was already up when I check it ~30 minutes later. My connection was fine. Checked it again, and looks great =) It seems you have a great business going! The market and its demand will only increase.

 

[ridethelightning]

the adaptto products are already way ahead of any other competition. with further ironing out of small glitches in firmware and other developements like the dc/dc, i think it will be an obvious choice for a lot of people.

 

[crea2k]

So today I was charging my bike, as normal like I usually do and have done many time. The bike is nearly fully charged and I see a big flash from the battery box. I thought at first one of the lipo packs had exploded, so I opened the box up after turning off the power, checked all the cells and they are all fine. I checked the display and it is turning off and on in a loop. I tried flashing the controller and this works fine. After flashing the controller I restart and the display turns on and off again in a loop. I have opened up the display and controller, inside the display looks fine, inside the controller one of the traces from one of the fet power boards has totally smoked itself !. Iv used the controller for 900 miles now, and although I had some problems to begin with, the last 850 miles have been totally fine. I was charging using the charging coil and my HP ESP120 charger as usual, nothing had changed from normal.



https://www.youtube.com/edit?video_id=khiCp4dlCvs&video_referrer=watch

Im going to re epoxy the trace this afternoon and try re soldering it, quite why it has exploded I dont know, but something was putting too much current through it that's for sure !.

 

[striker54]

Crea2k,

the end caps of the controller are waterproofed?
could have been accumulated moisture inside of controller?

 

[crea2k]

No as its inside a waterproof battery box, it wasn't even wet today either, it's lot rained for a week.

 

[Adaptto E-Drives Lab]

Crea2k, judging by the picture you sent us by e-mail you have a blown FET, so send the controller in for repairs as it takes more than just replacing the FET. Shipping instructions are in your PM.

On behalf of Adaptto team I'd like to thank everybody for choosing our products and providing valuable feedback!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Everybody!!!
FYI 1-11 January 2015 are public holidays in Russia. All the orders/inquiries will be addressed starting from the 12th of January.
Best regards,
Svyatoslav

 

[crea2k]

Thankyou very much, impressed by the speed of the reply . I have got the address from Oleg too by email, so will arrange for the courier to collect it and send it in.
Many Thanks
Iain

I have just bought a bbs2 as a run around for my other bike until my cro bike is sorted, so should be interesting to ride

 

[Offroader]

Hi everyone. Just wanted to let everyone know that I sent in my controller back for warranty and adaptto fixed everything. I had a couple of issues and one issue was undoubtedly my fault due to the phase and temp wire shorting.

I expected them to charge me because of it being my fault and also the screen issues, but they fixed it for free and they are shipping it back now.

I haven't read any posts about the warranty process, probably nobody posted because they were handled smoothly, adaptto will stand behind their product.

 

[ridethelightning]

thats great to hear offroader.

inspires consumer confidence :lol:

 

[chucho]

Dear friends!

Its our pleasure to announce the launch of our new web-site: http://adaptto.com/.
PAS sensor is also being prepared.



All the best!
Oleg

Thank you for the great news
When do you think PAS is going to be ready?
Is it going to be possible to buy the PAS Max-E + BMS with a special offer like it is know shown in the web side?

 

[anttipaa]

Does anyone else have any problems writing firmware to SD card? I cant get it work. Allways some error. I have tried couple SD cards. It did work once but now nothing.. I have downloaded rsdwriter and max-l.bin from adapttos webpage. Rsdwriter finds "SD Card" and max-l.bin but when I try to write it gives error. Then I can find max-l.sdb from the same folder where max-l.bin is. Maybe I need to try another computer. This laptop has windows 7.

 

[crea2k]

You dont have the write protect tab slid into protect on the card do you ?

 

[GreenRoad]

Hello
First of all i want to proof that the Adaptto Mini works up to 60k erpm - thats means also Outrunner Motors could be use without problems.
We use the CPM Motor 10P 8W - up to 6000rpm
http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=64789&p=990179&hilit=adaptto#p990179
I have to finetune the settings - but i am allready happy with the results i have until now.
Now its to cold outside to do long performance tests - but i will keep you updated to my settings with the outrunner motor.

I have following question - i use the firmware v1-RC9e
I have no "original" adaptto charging coil. I use another Charging coil - witch i had on stock. SER2918H-153KL l=15µ http://www.coilcraft.com/pdfs/ser2900.pdf
In this thread there is anywhere the info that it is good to use an coil between 15 - 30µH.
Exists there anywhere more information what coil is good to use.
Are there any differnce between the orignal Adaptto charging coild and an "normal" other coil?
I think the coil depands on the input voltage / current / and charging voltage / switching frequenzy
Could anybody confirm the number of the inductance?
I personally think the inductance should be higher.

With my choosen coil, the charging work not verry well - the coil getting warm/hot - when i charge with more than 5A.
The coil is rated for 15A. Exists there any ideas to my problem?
I use an 12S Lim Battery with maximum charging voltage of 50,2V.
With the Boost converter i can only charge if the imput voltage is about 40V. I think it should be possible to charge with an input voltage over 24V.

The next problem: With active Charging settings i have the problem when i drive with nearly no load and pull down the throttle - suddenly on the display "charging" appears. i have to manual swith in the charging menu - to disable the charging that i could drive.
How does the adappto detects the charging process? - i think about an negative input current - that would be obvious.
I try to play with the regen Settings - but no solution.
Perhaps anybody could help me

Another thing:
Why is it no possible to charge over the coil interface in an "normal" way - with an "normal" charger.
Up to 14s - 60V there exists some good quality charger devices - i normaly use to charge my battery.
The feature of the adaptto is great to charge with an constant voltage supply - but i like also the possibility to charge with an normal charger unit.
It should be no problem in this case only to switch the fets (use the fets as normal switch) - until the Endvoltage of the batterypack achieved.
This should be easier than now with the boost converter...

 

[ridethelightning]

here is some eaxmples and info on diy charge coils.. i gave up pretty quickly and bought the adaptto one :lol:

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53867&start=200#p859672

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53867&start=250#p989965

 

[madin88]

Another thing:
Why is it no possible to charge over the coil interface in an "normal" way - with an "normal" charger.
Up to 14s - 60V there exists some good quality charger devices - i normaly use to charge my battery.
The feature of the adaptto is great to charge with an constant voltage supply - but i like also the possibility to charge with an normal charger unit.
It should be no problem in this case only to switch the fets (use the fets as normal switch) - until the Endvoltage of the batterypack achieved.
This should be easier than now with the boost converter...

you can use normal charger thats no problem. you even don't have to enter charge menu in this case.
just plug charger + to battery + and charger - to charging lead of controller. i do the same and percent of charge also will rise up :wink:

if you do so, the controller will NOT cut off. it charges up to CV voltage of the cahrger so make sure the charger fits your battery!

 

[GreenRoad]

here is some eaxmples and info on diy charge coils.. i gave up pretty quickly and bought the adaptto one :lol:

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53867&start=200#p859672

http://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=53867&start=250#p989965

Okay - thanks - i see - you also find no realy solution.
The important thing would be to measure the original coil that we know about the exact inductance.
Perhaps Adaptto will also build an charging coil with 10A rated in future.
i only charge with max. 10A - and i also want to have a light component - the original coils seems to be "heavy"

@madin88
thanks for your info - but i read anywhere (i think at the manual)that it is not good to connect an charger direct.
It would be good if adaptto could confirm this setup - that it is okay - or the better solution would be - if they would integrate this option in the firmware als optional charging option. As is told - i think this would be no problem for charging - but it should be a safe way and should fits with the charging algorithm

 

[Doctorbass]

I have two addapto Max-E, one is very old, and is one of the first version ever made and have different BMS version.
The other is the lastest version.

On my older version Max-E I have a problem actually.

It stay in the ECO mode!! It's like the UP button is not working but i have checked all the hardware and it seeem that it might be a software bug since it is one of the very first version. I trieed to cycle it and disconnect power for 2 hours and also have reset all teh stats and it does not solve the problem.

Does anyone ever experienced something like that about the UP button?

I am about ton install the last version Max-E on my NYX CF bike but before to store the older MAx-E i woudl like to find an answer about that UP button problem..

Thanks guys

Doc

 

[ridethelightning]

sounds like a warranty return job to me doc. sorry to hear this, but i thing a few glitches were prevalent in the older version.having said that mine is also old version and iv had very few problems with it.

some people have opened theirs up to try a diy fix, but risk just stuffing things up further

adaptto seems very good at fixing stuff like this and dont charge. its just the postage i guesse and the waste of time waiting thats annoying.

you could try asking Allex, who can ask andreym(they are both in moscow ) and they might be able to suggest some fix.

 

[Allex]

Does the UP button work inside the menus? Could it be the button itself or the FLAT cable going from the buttons to the PCB board?

 

[andreym]

Hey Doc, have you tried to upgrade the firmware of the old max-e with new one?
If you tried it could possibly flashed a new firmware to lcd display and refused to update the controller itself.
Las lcd firmware could be not completely workable with older max-e firmware.

In other words, do you have only button "up" that is not working or all buttons are not?

 

[Doctorbass]

Hey Doc, have you tried to upgrade the firmware of the old max-e with new one?
If you tried it could possibly flashed a new firmware to lcd display and refused to update the controller itself.
Las lcd firmware could be not completely workable with older max-e firmware.

In other words, do you have only button "up" that is not working or all buttons are not?

It is only the UP button. I remember i have turned power off and wait for few hours and it went working back... but now it does not work.

Yes i have tried to flash and upgrade the firmware but it was no succes and screen goes black. But when i removed the SD card and re powered it it was working back. I was able to play with all the button after that . the Up button not working only hapenned yesterday .

I have opened it and removed the flat cable of the button key and reinstalled it fully in position but it did not solved the problem..

I can try to reset it fully again to see if it work...

Btw Andrey, I have used it with the great old X5 for few weeks and it appear to work great and dont appear to consume more than a regular non angled stator motor... but i have to push the test further to confirm.

Doc

 

[Doctorbass]

btw can someone confirm if this representation is right?

and could add were the lock and unlock area are?

would be great to fully understand the max limit! :wink:

I ahve read that the Max-E get max power at 85V... so with 140A batt current that's 11.9kW

Is the limiting feature is inv proportional between 85 and 90 or 92V.. ?

If someone could ameliorate/correct that graph with all these info it would be great! ( with also the luck and unlock limit)

Doc