Bafang G510/M620 (Bafang Ultra) thread

[Paul Fithian]

Anyone have experience with an M620 mid drive mated to a 3x3Nine hub for a heavy bakfiet or cargo bike?

 

[smorgasbord]

There is not enough discussion on program settings, would you mind sharing yours?

I started this thread over on EBR a few years ago:

Ultra Tuning: Master Thread -- Start Here!

If you're starting out to tune, or re-tune, your Bafang Ultra G620/M510 motor, you've come to the right place. There's a lot to setting up an Ultra to ride the way you want, but if you take it a step at a time it won't be as daunting. You don't have to do them all at once - I actually recommend...

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[Paul Fithian]

I am setting up a bakfiet with an M620 mid-drive. I would like to add a shift sensor, but not sure where to plug it in. I found these 2 empty connectors after removing the cover, can you folks advise what these are for?

 

[DPC18RI]

A 4 pin black one is usually for battery communication. If you already have a connected speedsensor and it's working then the one marked as nr 1 could be a candidate for a shift sensor i would think for your bakfiets.

 

[Paul Fithian]

Thanks, greatly appreciated! Is a referance service manual PDF available for the M620?

 

[TPEHAK]

Anyone wants to build VESC controller for Bafang m620?

Archon X1 Programming Thread (questions and experiences)

Hello, did you try to contact Krasnodar first for assistance? I would contact him first. Maybe ask him when he is planning to make the online server available again (he promised to make it available soon some time ago). If he does not respond here is the link for the bypassed tool with advanced...

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[TPEHAK]

I am setting up a bakfiet with an M620 mid-drive. I would like to add a shift sensor, but not sure where to plug it in. I found these 2 empty connectors after removing the cover, can you folks advise what these are for?

You can download the reverse engineered Innotrace X1 schematics, there are all m620 connections with illustrations


I believe the shift sensor is this one

 

[BikeDev]

Damn. My Archer D1x needs a charge. @ hours it'll be +80f. Oh well, I have some time and your summary shows you did some research or were effected by this fiasco.
Here's my thoughts.
Please entertain these questions. What if: The 'X1' is the same exact controller as all UART M620's and the only difference is the software and the Innotrace software contains executable zip-files (all available with various grades of verified log-in permissions) that'll flash any M620 controller?

No rush for me. I'll be looking this fall. Searching "compressed files", it's the largest file. I'm not into 'fine-tuning' my perfect tuning
Just a thought.
Krasnodar didn't make (ie: solder the chips on) these X1 controllers, he developed software and flashed them.


If you have a professional research him, you'll find Krasnodar's Bread & Butter field is programming chips for robotic packaging machines.
I owned a legal support service that specialized in finding out who and where 'people' were for PI's and Attorneys.
Not even using Lexis Nexus Accurint (though I do have a fiduciary interest and could), He was easy.
Krasnodar's Bread & Butter field is programming chips for robotic packaging machines
A degree from Czech Republic, but his name, 'Krasnodar' is a Region in Russia, bordering Crimea, a hotbed of Russian Separatists and Nationalists. Nowhere near Czechia.
So I checked a bit more and found his existence began 10 years ago and it appears he also now owns the world largest BMW, AUDI, Mercedes 'Computer' recycling Junkyards (one in Germany), buying (unregulated because they're considered 'recycled') EU made automotive computers - containing chips BANNED from export to Russia because they contain weapons grade guidance capabilities.
Before he just went 'poof' there was a 12 month hiatus of users being able to sign in and use the program and never one updates was issued to subscribers - who'd paid thousands for the service.
He too busy with 4 other (export sensitive chip related) jobs and running two (export sensitive chip related) junkyards.
He appeared unkempt, sullen and a 'hard-drinking 55 with a 5-day-shadow' in company-bio photos.
Hey, it could all be just happenstance, grannie passed or something - or maybe he's in German dungeon.

Innotrace was a subsidiary of Black Forest bikes. They got all the money and divvied it with Krasnodar, the co-owner. I verified he was living nicely, comfortable. His residences being on Google Earth. LOL. To coin a phrase: Crooks today!

Users had to go through BF b's server to log in - at the user-level BF allowed, screening who got to use what level of the software, by restricting permissions. From there the constant complaint was it took so long while the screen said 'executing'.
No shit. It was installing firmware created by a Russian circumventing the rules. Who knows where the server was (Moscow?) or what else was downloaded by special agent in place, Krasnodar the Junkyard King.
Mass confusion arose in'22 when BF shipped pre-flashed controllers. For those people log-in took 30 seconds - after checking for updates, which took an hour or four.
Was it was credential verification - bouncing around the world and ending up at KGB headquarters? I use Western EU sites and none of that wait time.
Where BF blew it was the Chicken having fled the coop w/ the client list hard-drive, they shipped flashed units to distributor levels, but that flash contains all the files for every level of permissions and if you can bypass the permissions page. lol

Krasnodar (the creator) took off back to Russia, with all the log-in keys. He frocked everyone, shut down all permissions regardless those who'd paid a ton of money (he'd spent) for access to the program (at various levels - 1000; 2300; 3000watts) leaving owners of $10,000 bikes stuck with no settings - or if you previously had access, with the changes you had made and nothing more.
Angry, EU hackers found a hack bypassing log in and shared it on EBR - what I'm using with full admin privileges, so I can set for up to 3000watts. God Level.
EBR banned owners for publishing and sharing that software - since Black Forest Bikes (Innotrace was suing Krasnodar for rights. Except BF bikes had by then negligently failed to provide the updates (for which we all had paid substantial sums), or the right to even tune our bikes - for over a year WELL BEFORE Krasnodar pulled his shit. And they refused to refund our money.
Hey, non-performance voids a contract. You sell me a car and keep the keys, I have rights to repair and or sell it and my position's I purchased software but was being deprived of it's use while BF bikes got the cash.
I never signed in because they prevented it - and two years later still do. I never agreed at any level not to publish my property, or that anyone had overriding rights precluding me doing as I please and my controller came directly from BF bikes/ Innotrace.
Now, the files and the log-in crack are public domain.
WW has them. I have them. A lot of Ultra owners do, while EBR banned the victims, depriving those who came forward (mad as hell) from obtaining relief.
I think the EU hot-dogs actually improved on the code - which itself uses segments of published, opensource M620 code.
These 150kilo EU off-road guys are some serious Beasts. You want Godzilla grade M620 programing, learn German and check their sites and Hey, no reports yet of G510's burning 3000watts melting down. Wires yes. The motor can hang. It's nicely overbuilt, but the 3000watt Max controllers are the limiting factor.
There's the story.

F'nF

Hi, after reading this long post I did a bit of research myself.
From what I could find, “Black Forest Bikes” was never an officially registered company. Rico, the former managing director of Innotrace, left the company shortly before it filed for insolvency — as you can see in the commercial register. There are also ongoing official investigations against him, and there are quite a few complaints online suggesting that things really blew up.

Of course, it’s hard to judge what actually happened from the outside. But it looks like the situation is a lot more complicated than it’s being made out to be — and honestly, your story sounds pretty questionable and far-fetched. What role do you think Rico plays in all of this? After all, he and Kim are the ones who are still out there selling X1 controllers…just saying...

Archon X1 Programming Thread (questions and experiences)

The motor with controller CAD model can be downloaded or checked on the GrabCAD https://grabcad.com/library/vesc-for-bafang-m620-uart-1 You can use it for reference to see the cables connections and proper cables routing. The motor controller area is precisely reverse engineered and can...

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[Fast and Furious]

Hi, after reading this long post I did a bit of research myself.
From what I could find, “Black Forest Bikes” was never an officially registered company. Rico, the former managing director of Innotrace, left the company shortly before it filed for insolvency — as you can see in the commercial register. There are also ongoing official investigations against him, and there are quite a few complaints online suggesting that things really blew up.

Of course, it’s hard to judge what actually happened from the outside. But it looks like the situation is a lot more complicated than it’s being made out to be — and honestly, your story sounds pretty questionable and far-fetched. What role do you think Rico plays in all of this? After all, he and Kim are the ones who are still out there selling X1 controllers…just saying...

Archon X1 Programming Thread (questions and experiences)

The motor with controller CAD model can be downloaded or checked on the GrabCAD https://grabcad.com/library/vesc-for-bafang-m620-uart-1 You can use it for reference to see the cables connections and proper cables routing. The motor controller area is precisely reverse engineered and can...

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I retired owner of a PI/ Attorney 'support service': They cannot find/ and or serve someone they call me.
Served subpoena's to executives speaking about nuclear weapons at a Defense Contractor meeting; Ballplayers in the midst of divorce; International con-artists, pretending to be rich Iraqi nobles; locating and served subpoena to utter bugout crazy that beat the criminal charges for blowing away two sixteen-year-olds crossing his property.
The key to my job was assessing and evaluating information.
I hate it being personal, but that gives me legal rights* to snoop - w/ sources you can't access. I won't elaborate on.
Never heard of a German or Czech named Rico. (PuertoCzech)
Plenty of photos of him at company gatherings, lotsa bio shots. Looks like +40 drunk, heavy 3 day beard shadow and steamer-trunks under dead, droopy eyes. Disinterested.
This man claims to have graduated university in Czechoslovakia.
One photo w/ him standing in front of Bike shop, full regalia - he's the only one clean - still looks inebriated and bored w heavy beard - while the mud-spattered Black Forest crew are cheering, jumping up and down.
Each bio references other employers. The one factor was K was employed with or by, from the robotics field to his junkyards, in industry that had access to Export Banned chips.
Krasnodar*, the creator of innotrace was embroiled in a company spat and closed all customers out from accessing 'Log in' through his server. The 'robotics' guy.
Business records on file in GE show K as the major holder of innotrace. I have digital copies.
While I appreciate skepticism, nothing I'm saying is second hand or hearsay. Germans keep good records and provide the most advanced portals I've encountered.

Black Forest Bikes here, are on Facebook.
Forget starting with a 'yeah, right' conclusion, but so much bullshit in the world, I don't blame you.

1) Level III (Lexus Nexus PI grade) search showed K owned and running the EU's largest automotive computer salvage business.
2) Research indicated such computers contain 'banned for export' to Russia chips, however 'Recycled' automotive electronics are exempt being 'salvage'. RED FLAG.
4) K's three, EU junkyards exclusively specialized in high end automotive CPU's - Mercedes. Porsche. Audi. BMW. Which the "Bought and sold", but they had none for sale? I checked. RED FLAG.
I checked relative intake vol / how many wrecked cars in the EU. I checked a lot you wouldn't think of, it felt very Russian.
Krasnodar disappeared and EU bikers (a million thanks, dudes) gave us Yanks the keys to bypass the authentication (actually all K's server did) to program our innotrace controllers.
I'm satisfied and could care less about security agencies business.
That's equity. But EBR went full panty-twist, deleting all key info posts and throwing member's involved under the bus in what they saw 'facilitating hacking'. Siding with Cossack rights to frock us over and throwing customers who paid for a service under the bus.
You can read our full (ebr edited) discussion here.

Sorry this is so long.

Ride on !!!
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*I was considering serving this guy a complaint and subpoena for records.
My company had a motto "We'll serve anyone, anywhere - for a price". My cost would be under $300 to file and serve complaint w/ summons and records subpoena.
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*See Definition of 'Krasnodar' here.
LSS: It's the other end of the Kerch Straights bridge, a focal point of the Ukraine/ Russia war, famous for it's Russian Cossack Nationalist history. AKA the Crimean Bridge, which connects mainland Russia to the occupied Crimean Peninsula and on to Ukraine, of significant symbolic importance for Russia, representing its control over Crimea.
In your face 'Krasnodar' is a statement. Makes me wonder who designed the controller programming?

 

[TPEHAK]

Anyone tried M630? It looks like it fits M620 frames

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[Vélocité Vélo]

FYI, There's a UART M620 for sale on the "Items for sale" forum.