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Rix said:
Techy question.

So had the Bomber out now for several rides with the TC4080 conversion. One of things I had to do was change the pole count from 12 to 62. With the correct wheel set at 1925mm, I was hitting my CA V2.25 99MPH limit and shutting power at around 7MPH. So, with the help of my Garvin GPS, I set out to find the correct settings for speed readings. First I went to 23 wich is the correct pole count for this motor as it has 46 magnets. It helped a little, but I was still hitting 99MPH and shutting down, but I was going somewhere around 18MPH when that happened. So I started experimenting with increasing pole count settings. Well, with the pole count set at 62, everything is perfect. CA speed display is 42MPH and GPS is 42MPH. Also distance traveled measured accurately within 10 meters, and that difference could be the time it took the GPS display to update. I don't see any problems with running the pole count this high. I had posted earlier that the WOT speed of the TC4080 was 2600watts, about 900watts less than the 5404 under same conditions, but that was with only adjusting the CA wheel size setting to 500mm. Now with the wheel setting correct and pole count increased, I am seeing right about 3000watts now. This makes more sense as this amount of watts consumed is about the same, just slighlty higher, than my Fighter @ 41MPH after terminal velocity is achieved. So my question is: why does my CA V2.25 need the Pole Count set at 62 and not 23 to work properly with the TC4080?

///Edit 500mm not 5000mm for wheel size ///

Found the culprit, when I first got the TC4080, the phase and sensor wires were way to short. So I chopped the phase wires off down near the axle and stepped in 10g wires like I did on the 5404. Then I had to splice and extend the sensor wires. There are 5 tiny 24g wires that I had to individually splice and resolder extensions too. Well, because they are so small, and I was using a 140watt solder iron, I couldn't put much heat time into each wire. Long story short, reinspected the wires and discovered one of the splices, redish/orange wire had a cold solder contact. it was floating and touching each other but for all intensive purposes was two separate wires. So I heated up the splice. Everything works perfectly now, 23 pole count for settings and display is accurate.

On another note. For the last couple of weeks, I have been seeing a yellow and black Sondors fat tire ebikes cruising around my neighbor hood. A few days ago, I was walking home from the gym, and saw a younger guy, riding the black one. I asked him to stop and let me check out his ride. The guy bolted, I guess I look scary or something. Anyway I sprinted to my house which was about 1/4 mile away. Took me like 75-80 seconds to get there. In my defense I had a back pack with over 20 pounds of gear on. I grabbed my Fighter and hauled ass looking for this guy. Couldn't find him. Today, saw him again while riding my Fighter. I called him out saying "whats up?" "I knew I would see you again". And before I could ask any questions, the guys says, "I don't have time to talk, I have to be somewhere" and bolts pedal assisting his ass off with the Sondors WOT. I couldn't resist, so I pedaled behind him, pretending that 24MPH was hard to achieve and yelled that his bike was fast and hard to keep up with. Guy turns back towards me, and then pedals even harder hitting 26-28mph. Well, I twisted the throttle and caught him. This startled him and he flinched and had a sympathetic reaction at the handlebars and almost rear-ended a parked car. Anyway, I made a positive comment about how fast his bike was and how fuqing HUGE his tires were, twisted the throttle, and disappeared from his view. At first, I thought the whole interaction was funny, but then when I started reflecting objectively about the interaction, a couple of things became apparent. First, this guy didn't know my Fighter was an ebike with about 12 times the power as his ebike, if he did know, he wouldn't of tried to out run me because that would be futile. Second, I don't think I look like an intimidating scary person, I am only 5'11" and 235 (loosing weight :D ) so my size isn't intimidating, but this guy looked scared of me. Possibly special needs maybe. Anyway I don't know what to make of it, I would really like to talk ebike stuff with him and get a close look at his bike. DAMN those tires are HUGE? I wonder whats going on and why this guy is acting scared? I am posting this question to everyone here. Tell me what you think is going on.
 
PRW said:
Rix, how short are your gym shorts? :D
Actually, I vote big and scary...
Classic!! at the knees. But I was wearing wife beater and have a tattoo that goes from mid forearm up to the side of my neck. Everyone's inked up now though. I had ink over 20 years ago when it was only cool, by Naval Standards and the fringe of society.
 
Hey Allex, what motor are you using in your FLX project bike? And weight?

And about your crank system: Fixed gearing? Fits the Fighter? Where buy online?

My original Fighter schlumph BB gear set feels like it's about to die and my front alum sprocket is dead too. But I certainly want to keep using my short 145mm cranks. Lice them!
 
Rix said:
Classic!! at the knees. But I was wearing wife beater and have a tattoo that goes from mid forearm up to the side of my neck. Everyone's inked up now though. I had ink over 20 years ago when it was only cool, by Naval Standards and the fringe of society.
haha - with that new info - I would definitely have run!
 
one4torque said:
1ab - fantastic pics! as always.
Time for a new front tire sir?

HAHA!! thats the same front tire since I bought the bike years ago….The sides kinda have knobs…Kinda?? I was actually thinking that its getting to be about time… OR… I got a knobby knife.. shave em down and go supermoto!!!!

Rix said:
NIce ABV, how about some video?

one of these days ill have to get out the go pro….

Emmett said:
Rix, you ever tried to fit a 21" dirt bike front mousse tube inside a 24" MTB tire? I know 21" tubes fit OK.

Have you ever ridden w a mousse? great for not getting flats obviously but I never liked the way they handle, the extra weight, and putting them on and off is such a pain in the ass..I ran them a few times on my front wheel of my Baja pre runner XR650r.. I've always been a fan of Brigestone XHD tubes.. never had a flat and can always change tire pressure.. some peeps dig mousse action but not my cup-o-tea… interesting to see if they fit though..
 
Well hell, I guess thats what it was, just my disposition with people wanting to run from me. :lol: Ironically I get in more foot pursuits on the job than any of my coworkers. Maybe its leaking over into my off the job time.

Rix, you ever tried to fit a 21" dirt bike front mousse tube inside a 24" MTB tire? I know 21" tubes fit OK.

I have not, I ran a Bibb Mousse on my 450 xcf years ago, but with all the pinch clamps and the hours it took me to mount them, I wouldn't go back. Any future dirt only bikes I will run will have Nutech Tubliss. Like what you got on the rear. I don't have a mousse on hand, but I am guessing the tube foam carcass is too big to fit inside of even the the biggest 24x3.00 front MTB tire. The 21" mouse was designed for 80/100x21 and 90/90x21 MC tires. Thats quite a bit wider volume than a 70/100x19 or 2.75-19 MC tires, which are closer to the 24x3.00 size MTB tires, which are majority size of tires for ebikes with 19 MC rim conversions. Guess my point is, I dont think a mousse will fit.
 
I had a lady "energetically" try to stop me on my sondors whil'st I road the walking path a few weeks back.... she was a house-wife type "power-walking" with another house wife in the lycra exercise wear...... she appears to be in the "early" stages of her workout career....... anyway..... she yells at me as I approach... "IS THAT AN ELECTRIC BICYCLE?!!! IS THAT AN ELECTRIC BICYCLE?""" I just slow way down pedalling and smile and ease on by with no audible response, but a please non-response smile...... I figure she either wanted to give me grief, or was curious about the mechanical wonder called an ebike.... given her demeanor, age, dress, and posture.... I rapidally processed the engagement as a "grief giver"..... so I moved on through at a crawl but in a friendly fashion :)

I did get another woman literally stop me on the side of the road.... hanging out of her car.... yelling stop stop! ... I stop and she says with this big azz grin is that self powered? and I say why yes, and she says it looks like you are having the time of your life on that thing! enjoy have a nice day!
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now if a 235 lb RIX was running me down saying he knew he would run into me again, I would have to process the situation and determine what you where........... about........... and then decide.

It's unfortunate that we have this moment of thought when we engage other humans...... I don't remember it being that way when I was a kid..... we just all rode what ever where ever and enjoyed life.
 
one4torque said:
I had a lady "energetically" try to stop me on my sondors whil'st I road the walking path a few weeks back.... she was a house-wife type "power-walking" with another house wife in the lycra exercise wear...... she appears to be in the "early" stages of her workout career....... anyway..... she yells at me as I approach... "IS THAT AN ELECTRIC BICYCLE?!!! IS THAT AN ELECTRIC BICYCLE?""" I just slow way down pedalling and smile and ease on by with no audible response, but a please non-response smile...... I figure she either wanted to give me grief, or was curious about the mechanical wonder called an ebike.... given her demeanor, age, dress, and posture.... I rapidally processed the engagement as a "grief giver"..... so I moved on through at a crawl but in a friendly fashion :)

I did get another woman literally stop me on the side of the road.... hanging out of her car.... yelling stop stop! ... I stop and she says with this big azz grin is that self powered? and I say why yes, and she says it looks like you are having the time of your life on that thing! enjoy have a nice day!
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now if a 235 lb RIX was running me down saying he knew he would run into me again, I would have to process the situation and determine what you where........... about........... and then decide.

It's unfortunate that we have this moment of thought when we engage other humans...... I don't remember it being that way when I was a kid..... we just all rode what ever where ever and enjoyed life.

It is unfortunate. unless my Dad and Uncle come down from Boise, or I go up there, I ride by myself all the time. For the last 4 years, I have been the only guy in rural Nevada riding an ebike. Of course I have seen ebikes in Reno, but not Fallon. So when I saw some fellow ebikers, I figured the one guy I ran into when I was on mine would take a minute, and exchange ride stories. I was in error for thinking that.
 
Anybody know who sells a slightly smaller moto type intertube (than the Maxxis I'm currently running 80/90/100 20-21)?
I'm thinking a 19" would be perfect as I'm experiencing a small kinking that eventually causes a flat.

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I am running the IRC TR4 2.75-21 tube (non HD) on the front of my Fighter with no problems. http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/171455020535?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true

Some guys are running the bike master 2.75/3.00X19 MC tires in their Razorbacks with no issues either.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/201364331641?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
 
st35326 said:
Anybody know who sells a slightly smaller moto type intertube (than the Maxxis I'm currently running 80/90/100 20-21)?
I'm thinking a 19" would be perfect as I'm experiencing a small kinking that eventually causes a flat.
St, not sure about your tube question, but those XT150's in your photo don't look right.
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The bullet is supposed to be recessed inside the housing when fully seated.

Just chuck a bare female XT150 on there and use some pliers to squeeze it lengthways till it clicks into position.

Cheers
 
Cowardlyduck said:
st35326 said:
Anybody know who sells a slightly smaller moto type intertube (than the Maxxis I'm currently running 80/90/100 20-21)?
I'm thinking a 19" would be perfect as I'm experiencing a small kinking that eventually causes a flat.
St, not sure about your tube question, but those XT150's in your photo don't look right.

The bullet is supposed to be recessed inside the housing when fully seated.

Just chuck a bare female XT150 on there and use some pliers to squeeze it lengthways till it clicks into position.

Cheers


They are fine, this bike has had zero issues putting power down.
 
Ride out the house this morning 63 degrees cruise down Ocean Avenue cut on to A1A giant redneck dually.. cut back on grass upslope down parking lot whip back 2 Road ..cruising 35 police station slow down rednecks in F-250 diesel gun it listen weight hit wot 42 44 46 48 52 slow down let him catch up roll down window cruising 35 40 what the f***.. that thing is f****** awesome
.. so I replied with a big giant growling Roar yyyeahhh .. cat and mouse next 20 miles.. thanks stealth!!
 
FL bomber said:
Ride out the house this morning 63 degrees cruise down Ocean Avenue cut on to A1A giant redneck dually.. cut back on grass upslope down parking lot whip back 2 Road ..cruising 35 police station slow down rednecks in F-250 diesel gun it listen weight hit wot 42 44 46 48 52 slow down let him catch up roll down window cruising 35 40 what the f***.. that thing is f****** awesome
.. so I replied with a big giant growling Roar yyyeahhh .. cat and mouse next 20 miles.. thanks stealth!!

You should have said "Lance don't have nothing on me". Our machines are fun.
 
st35326 said:
Anybody know who sells a slightly smaller moto type intertube (than the Maxxis I'm currently running 80/90/100 20-21)?
I have a 21" MC tube in my front 24 MTB tire and it fits nicely. Slightly excess circumference but no fold. I think mine is Vee Rubber brand but I'm not sure. Don't give up. They are great value for money.
 
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From the last ride…Found a crazy series of interconnecting trails 21 mile loop….about ten billion water crossings.
 
Yeah, 10 billion water crossings. That sounds familiar.
I don't think I get a ride in anywhere without crossing water and mud.

To cope with it I've done these bike mods:

1. Hub sealed.
2. Frame side panels lightly sealed on with silicone sealant.
3. Key lock internals oiled with a suitable water dispersant for electrical components.
4. Bead of silicone around the key. My key is also cut down because I bent it too easily.
5. Controller end caps sealed. I also have top and bottom drain plugs on the controller so I can occasionally dry + re-coat the insides.
6. Good mud flap to protect rear shock ($5 part off eBay).
7. Small mud flap to keep the crud off my steering bearing and frame/clamp/bars area.
8. Rear Tubliss system, so no water or grit can get past the tire bead or spoke nipples.
9. 2mm drain hole near the lowest point in my frame compartment (I regularly spray oil in there too).
10. Silicone around the wire ends on the plugs for the phase and hall-sensor wires.

All up less maintenance and more fun.
 
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