MadRhino
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Yep. You need an helicopter to be able to follow me in town on this biketomjasz said:
Full Suspension Fat Bikes!
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spinningmagnets
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Full suspension AND fat tires? That's just nuts, who needs that?
WoodlandHills
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MTBR has a long thread on this bike, just search for "Quigley" The Sniper was originally called the Quigley and Bikes Direct had to stop selling them after several broken swingarms. There are many pictures of where they broke in the thread, BD then added a gusset and some reinforcement to the area where they cracked and renamed the bike the Sniper. The pictures and specs on the website are of the original Quigley.
Since the Sniper was put on sale the thread has died with no more posts so I have no idea how well the fix for the swingarm has worked. Some comment was made about the very high pivot location being an obsolete design since it causes bobbing when standing hard on the pedals and will cause rear suspension lockout under braking. This was verified in posts before the bikes broke, however several riders said that they actually like the way the bike felt and that the bobbing could be fixed by using a lockout shock or by simply remaining seated and keeping up a smooth spin.
I think that as an eBike this would be a great conversion candidate: power assist or throttle will keep you seated so the bobbing will be non-existent and everyone said that it was a great descender!
I am nearly done with our Deadeye Monster, once I get the IGH laced into an 80mm rim I will ride it for a few miles and give it to my wife. Then I think I will order one of these for myself and put another BBSHD onto it so we can go riding together.
BTW, I was talking to a bunch of MTBers about my Fat eBike and they all agreed that a Bafang would be just the thing to get their SO's back on that expensive MTB they bought them but that she never uses! They all really thought power assist was the ticket to weekend rides with their wives and GFs......
Since the Sniper was put on sale the thread has died with no more posts so I have no idea how well the fix for the swingarm has worked. Some comment was made about the very high pivot location being an obsolete design since it causes bobbing when standing hard on the pedals and will cause rear suspension lockout under braking. This was verified in posts before the bikes broke, however several riders said that they actually like the way the bike felt and that the bobbing could be fixed by using a lockout shock or by simply remaining seated and keeping up a smooth spin.
I think that as an eBike this would be a great conversion candidate: power assist or throttle will keep you seated so the bobbing will be non-existent and everyone said that it was a great descender!
I am nearly done with our Deadeye Monster, once I get the IGH laced into an 80mm rim I will ride it for a few miles and give it to my wife. Then I think I will order one of these for myself and put another BBSHD onto it so we can go riding together.
BTW, I was talking to a bunch of MTBers about my Fat eBike and they all agreed that a Bafang would be just the thing to get their SO's back on that expensive MTB they bought them but that she never uses! They all really thought power assist was the ticket to weekend rides with their wives and GFs......
Chalo
100 TW
spinningmagnets said:Full suspension AND fat tires? That's just nuts, who needs that?
Are you suggesting someone needs that?
The fingers
10 TW
Maybe for the Baja 1000 or the Barstow to Vegas race. :lol:
WoodlandHills
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I guess it depends where you live: there are lots of wide open spaces in the U.S., Baja, Australia, etc where one of those would be a lot of fun.
tomjasz
1 GW
Next thing you know someone will want a motor too.spinningmagnets said:
spinningmagnets
100 TW
Nobody "needs" that, but...there is a market for it.
Chalo
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spinningmagnets said:
Yes, that's really the measure of need from a commercial standpoint-- what people will trade money for.
By that standard, many people need semi-automatic weapons, a few need child prostitutes, and lots need SUVs. Because of folks like that, I need aspirin and beer.
speedmd
10 MW
Nothing to do with need. WANT is the magic force.
WoodlandHills
10 kW
Some people also feel the need for electric bicycles or cars, shame on the marketplace for responding! Bad Market! Bad, Bad Market! How dare you respect people's wishes by giving them what they want? Shame! Shame! Shame! If only there was some sort of agency that knew what was best for us and stopped us all from having the things we only think we need......
Chalo
100 TW
What if I want a metric ton of PCP and a tactical nuke? That would make me only about as problematic as car drivers on any given day, so why shouldn't my market demand be indulged? If I can come up with the money, why can't I have these things? The market is perfect!
WoodlandHills
10 kW
When you get your way and pickup trucks and other gasoline vehicles are made illegal, THEN you can compare criminality such as your "metric ton of PCP and a tactical nuke" to a legal vehicle being operated in a responsible manner.
Is the market perfect? Well, I would accept the wisdom of crowds long before I would accept yours....... Or any other individuals!
Is the market perfect? Well, I would accept the wisdom of crowds long before I would accept yours....... Or any other individuals!
Chalo
100 TW
Remember that illegality equals "some sort of agency that knew what was best for us and stopped us all from having the things we only think we need". Even if the perfect market demands it.
speedmd
10 MW
Are you suggesting a fat tired bicycle with 10- 12 inches of suspension travel be illegal? Pleasure Trucks that do not fit the roads, folks blasting their sound systems, or driving recklessly in pedestrian or multi user areas I can understand your point, but what real harm will come from folks pedaling even 10 inch wide tires with gobs of suspension if that makes them happy.
MadRhino
100 GW
Illegality should be about, and only about, what is a prejudice or harm to others. If that was, the book of laws would be much smaller and the law would be much closer to be real justice. Right now, the major part of the law is a tax on freedom, or an expression of subjective morality.
Back to the subject of the post: Fat bikes are not a good ride out of their specific purpose, but a good suspension does make them more versatile.
Back to the subject of the post: Fat bikes are not a good ride out of their specific purpose, but a good suspension does make them more versatile.
Chalo
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speedmd said:
This sidetrack began with a reference to trucks that have both fat tires and long travel suspension, but in a decent world wouldn't exist at all. Then some ding-dong suggested that market demand reflects what is right, to which I brought up refuting examples.
Suspension fatbikes fall under the category "usually stupid but not morally wrong". As opposed to passenger cars, which in context are usually not stupid but are morally wrong.
Can we please leave all the nonsense aside and get back to the original topic? Other than weight and ridiculous tire budget requirements what is so stupid about FS fatbikes, Chalo?
The stadium/baja truck comparison makes sense to me. It seems like the best way to soak up big bumps at speed is with lots of suspension and big durable tires, but surely the practical limit is somewhere around the typical offroad motorcycle tire sizes which is where a lot of us have ended up. Perhaps the best play is to get one of these FS fatbikes and swap in some 19 inch moped wheels with large shinko 241's. Love those things!
The stadium/baja truck comparison makes sense to me. It seems like the best way to soak up big bumps at speed is with lots of suspension and big durable tires, but surely the practical limit is somewhere around the typical offroad motorcycle tire sizes which is where a lot of us have ended up. Perhaps the best play is to get one of these FS fatbikes and swap in some 19 inch moped wheels with large shinko 241's. Love those things!
WoodlandHills
10 kW
Chalo said:
My goodness, you are a sad little man...... So much personal moral superiority on display, based on apparently so little evidence....... It must really suck to be you and you have my heartfelt pity.
WoodlandHills
10 kW
MadRhino said:
I'm running a 4.25" tire at front and a 4" in the back and it's intended purpose is to keep the front wheel from sinking into sand at speed and throwing me over the handlebars. It is a very good ride for its specific purpose of being suitable for fire roads and trails and most importantly: being a bike my wife wants to ride. It is excellent at that! She has instructed me to "Finish it up and build another for yourself 'cause I'm keeping this one!" And how can that be a Bad Thing....?
Obiwan007
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So, I have been building one of these for a while now and it has been my dream project since I first started building e-bikes. I'm getting pretty close to the end now and I can offer a frame choice that might appeal to you. Mine is built on the Giant DH Comp frame. I have a VERY technically competent welder who will do the swingarm modifications at reasonable prices. I had him make mine wide enough to accept the Vee Rubber V-8 tires on full 100mm wide rims. Just check the threads in my sig for detailed build info and contact info for my welder who will do these mods via the mail. Here is my rear wheel mounted up to the modified swingarm:
It mates up to this front triangle:
As you can see the Giant DH Comp frame has lots of sexy triangle space as one of the only high tech DH frames that kept the rear suspension components out of the triangle. This frame has offered others problems for electric conversions due to its offset asymmetry in the rear triangle. The modification I had done however not only widened the swingarm but also centered it up to fit the wheel more easily.
I can't wait till this project is finished with great thanks to drunkskunk who has commented, hilariously, on this thread. In the end you can debate the benefits of full suspension electric fat bikes all day. But for me personally, I need no other reason than that it will be so damned cool and about as rare as Sasquatch riding a unicorn.
It mates up to this front triangle:
As you can see the Giant DH Comp frame has lots of sexy triangle space as one of the only high tech DH frames that kept the rear suspension components out of the triangle. This frame has offered others problems for electric conversions due to its offset asymmetry in the rear triangle. The modification I had done however not only widened the swingarm but also centered it up to fit the wheel more easily.
I can't wait till this project is finished with great thanks to drunkskunk who has commented, hilariously, on this thread. In the end you can debate the benefits of full suspension electric fat bikes all day. But for me personally, I need no other reason than that it will be so damned cool and about as rare as Sasquatch riding a unicorn.
Chalo
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ecycler said:
Well, sure-- but we're not talking about big loud toxic trucks. On a bicycle, super fat tires and suspension travel both result in slower speed. They eliminate the need for themselves. Even in the case of off-road motorcycles, you find the fattest tires on the slowest bikes.
Voltron
1 MW
Depending on the conditions, like sandy desert trails studded with occasional rocks, or snow with hidden stumps underneath, fat tires with suspension could well be faster than normal mountain bike tires, just like a road bike with skinny high pressure tire would be faster on the pavement, but slower on a gravel road.
Voltron
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And as frames get lighter and with a motor helping push it, the fatter/high travel is slower idea isn't as as black and white as it used to be, just like it was with mountain bikes...until the first guy won the world championships on a Specialized Epic, everybody thought suspension was slower on a cross country course.
Chalo
100 TW
Until there are fatbike-only racing classes, fatbikes aren't going to be winning any contests of speed.
I built my own first fatbike in 2000, before folks were even getting their heads around 29ers. I know what their various virtues are, and speed isn't among them. I recently traded out my fat 26" front wheel for a 29x2.5" one, in pursuit of better handling and slightly better speed.
I built my own first fatbike in 2000, before folks were even getting their heads around 29ers. I know what their various virtues are, and speed isn't among them. I recently traded out my fat 26" front wheel for a 29x2.5" one, in pursuit of better handling and slightly better speed.
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