gas price thread

[SafeDiscDancing]

All I can say is my ebike delivers the fun I want and entirely avoids the gas station.

So while prices are going up and more and more pipelines are shut down and drilling permits denied it is not causing any problem for me as the only time I use my car is to do short trips to local stores... like the ACE Hardware store or picking up drugs for my 87 year old mother.

This is entirely a SELF INFLICTED problem.

Objectively America has a massive surplus of oil but we are being denied access.

There is no shortage... it's on purpose.

We can leave the question of "why" such harmful decisions are being taken unanswered.

In an objective third party position we can say "This need not be."

 

[calab]

You could start a ebike building business and become as famous as Eric Hicks of Luna Cycle since you are in California but the fact of emissions control on vehicles is degrading their reliability, I will gladly buy an older early 2000's pre-2008 but I dont think alot of those emissions shaninigans are on the smaller vehicles only on the larger truck. CVT transmissions arent good, Nissans Versa cvt is crap. Now I have only seen this once before but today as I was riding I saw a Skip the Dishes driver in a big truck, now that should be illegal 100% but no no they are taking away my plastic straws, McDonalds converted to the dumb paper straws. Subway is the same. Luckily I dont eat out much anymore but I go extended times without eating and sometimes I just get a craving and had to eat a pile of crap from Rotten Ronnies.

All I can say is my ebike delivers the fun I want and entirely avoids the gas station.

So while prices are going up and more and more pipelines are shut down and drilling permits denied it is not causing any problem for me as the only time I use my car is to do short trips to local stores... like the ACE Hardware store or picking up drugs for my 87 year old mother.

This is entirely a SELF INFLICTED problem.

Objectively America has a massive surplus of oil but we are being denied access.

There is no shortage... it's on purpose.

We can leave the question of "why" such harmful decisions are being taken unanswered.

In an objective third party position we can say "This need not be."

 

[Ianhill]

Sounds like a fat kid thats been told theres no more mcdonalds and acting up because they conviced they will starve.

Funny in it the country thats had it the cheapest is making the most noise about price creeping.

I see the hypocrisy in shells operating methods but rather than stand strong and work a future out we sit down and cry about the past like reminiscing old farts.

Hold our goverments worldwide to account and openily speak about the deception decades long thats led us to this broken future where the milk in the titty is going sour.

We need to keep talking not deleting otherwise were no better than those that aspire to control us i for one spend as much time educating the young to defend against the likes of flat earthers etc and show them how the scientist's of old went about it to inspire us of today to look listen and try to understand what tasks are challenging and not to shy away from them but tare them a new one using mass collaborations work for some things but cutting a knife deep into sciece normally takes but the one then people stand on that giants shoulders to take a peek of the brilliance.

 

[Ianhill]

Heres my advice take every moment to turn yourself into the strongest version of yourself those with the mental and physical endurance to push on will stand the longest dont let comfort living turn you into a weak version of yourself.

Come out strong and stay strong keep oil my physicality means i will live on no fat cat owns me i live by my rules were all part slave its impossible to escape tax but do not live within the media's matrix or you may find yourself yearn for a red nose a wig and shoes far too big for yourself.

 

[SafeDiscDancing]

Heres my advice take every moment to turn yourself into the strongest version of yourself those with the mental and physical endurance to push on will stand the longest dont let comfort living turn you into a weak version of yourself.

We are seeing a split in humanity.

Obviously the pressures are getting tougher because that's the plan now... but some seek "happy spaces" through distractions while others are really waking up and realizing we are facing a very serious world ahead.

And as these extremes intensify the two sides stop comprehending the other.

I'm with you and am in the "toughen up" and see the crimes mentality... but there are many into the "happy spaces".

Gas prices are definitely hard on everyone and those seeking the "happy spaces" will need to invent bigger illusions to explain it.

 

[neptronix]

This is entirely a SELF INFLICTED problem.
Objectively America has a massive surplus of oil but we are being denied access.

That's nowhere near true.
The United States is a #1-#3 user of 'gallons of gasoline per capita'.

The real self inflicted problem is that people don't bother buying efficient cars, appliances, etc because fossil fuels are historically cheap. Americans are generally not buying sedans anymore.. most new cars are SUVs and Trucks pushing ~20mpg.
So what Americans will do when given the opportunity, is use as much gasoline as possible. Who is to blame for that?

And yet, despite that, we finally crossed the line into energy independence this year. That means we've progressively been drilling more and more. This is the opposite of denying access.

Gas prices are definitely hard on everyone and those seeking the "happy spaces" will need to invent bigger illusions to explain it.

Not everyone! some of us chose fuel efficient transport options like hybrids, electric cars, and subcompacts.

It's the guy paying $700/month for a fuel-waster 9000 that gets 18mpg, who drives it to work daily and "needs it to tow the boat a few times a year", who has a real complaint, although his pain is entirely self inflicted...

..not me, because i average $50mpg. Going from a $35 fillup to a $50 fillup is basically background noise in my budget.

 

[calab]

From what I gleam from the fake news outlets is Russia only provides 3% and yet they will ban Russian o&g and told everyone to expect higher prices as OPEC will play the game to maximize profits. To bad for the XL pipeline :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[SafeDiscDancing]

Walk back a few years and America was EXPORTING it's abundant oil. (fact)

Now we see pipelines shut down on purpose.

Now we see drilling contracts denied on purpose.

Now we see that we are rejecting Russian oil because "we" (the rulers) want LGBT in Ukraine.

So that's the "bottom line" here.

$6 gasoline is not necessary... but it happening because of decisions.

We could probably have $3 gasoline right now if we simply didn't criminalize the industry.

Heck now even Elon Musk is saying things are crazy and they ought to allow the gas to flow again.

As one of earth's most abundant and renewable resources it is nice to have and raises standards of living.

Plants love the CO2 and so it's green too.

 

[nicobie]

As one of earth's most abundant and renewable resources it is nice to have and raises standards of living.

Plants love the CO2 and so it's green too.

That's a pretty inflammatory statement. It better not start a flame war. :|

We don't need any crazy talk here. Save it for someplace else.

 

[SafeDiscDancing]

We don't need any crazy talk here.

Nothing crazy here.

In reality the earth has seen CO2 ppmv at levels as high as 10,000 in the distant past.

We are barely at 400 right now. (very close to the lowest ever)

Dinosaurs enjoyed much higher CO2 levels and got HUGE because the Green plants were abundant.

Just use some basic logic... you cannot get huge creatures like dinosaurs without CO2 in abundance and massive greens for them to eat.

This is not controversial... everyone knows the dinosaurs were huge.

Are you saying there were no dinosaurs?

 

[SafeDiscDancing]

And let me add...

We love electric because it is as Tesla realized the core way that reality functions.

So we love the electric option and pursue it because once we get all the details figured out this is a better solution.

Don't criminalize CO2 because the plants actually love it.

We need to separate our love of pure electric propulsion with the organic interests of plants.

 

[SafeDiscDancing]

Oops... that got double posted.

 

[Hillhater]

As one of earth's most abundant and renewable resources it is nice to have and raises standards of living.

...? What exactly were you referring to there ?, gas ?, oil ?, CO2 ?,

Don't criminalize CO2 because the plants actually love it.

We need to separate our love of pure electric propulsion with the organic interests of plants.

ALL life on our planet NEEDS CO2 to live !
Below 250-280 ppm... everything dies .!

 

[JackFlorey]

ALL life on our planet NEEDS CO2 to live !
Below 250-280 ppm... everything dies .!

So 20,000 years ago, when CO2 levels were 180ppm - everything died?

You might want to re-check your logic on that.

 

[JackFlorey]

In reality the earth has seen CO2 ppmv at levels as high as 10,000 in the distant past.

Absolutely, And in the distant past the temperature of the surface was well over 500 degrees F. However, that does not make such a temperature OK or desirable.

We are barely at 400 right now. (very close to the lowest ever)

Lowest ever was 180ppm - less than half that.

Dinosaurs enjoyed much higher CO2 levels and got HUGE because the Green plants were abundant.

The largest got huge because they could support most of their weight in water. We have even bigger animals today that support all their weight in water.

As to CO2, yes - levels were incredibly high. CO2 levels reached 2000ppm, average temperatures were 10-20F higher than today, and sea levels were 150-300 feet higher.

Hopefully you will agree that would not be a good thing today.

Just use some basic logic... you cannot get huge creatures like dinosaurs without CO2 in abundance and massive greens for them to eat.

The blue whale is bigger than most of the really big dinosaurs of the age. Blue whales can weigh 300,000 lbs - the largest dinosaur discovered weighed 130,000 lbs.

So the opposite is true. In fact, you could argue that we could not have animals as big as the blue whale until CO2 levels declined enough that the seas became more productive.

 

[JackFlorey]

Now we see pipelines shut down on purpose.

No pipelines are shut down in purpose (fact.)

Now we see that we are rejecting Russian oil because "we" (the rulers) want LGBT in Ukraine.

Nope. We are rejecting Russian oil because we don't want to give money to a murderous tyrant bent on world domination. A good reason IMO.

$6 gasoline is not necessary... but it happening because of decisions.

You are absolutely correct. And the decisions are happening here:

"Exclusive: oil companies’ profits soared to $174bn this year as US gas prices rose
Exxon, Chevron, Shell and BP among group of 24 who resisted calls to increase production but doled out shareholder dividends"

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/06/oil-companies-profits-exxon-chevron-shell-exclusive

 

[JackFlorey]

From what I gleam from the fake news outlets is Russia only provides 3%

Yep. And that's the percentage of Russian oil in our imports. As a ratio of total oil we use, it's about 1%.

You could make that up by switching to E15 in just 1/3 of the gas pumps in the US.

 

[JackFlorey]

Ahh, changed your mind a little then jack, from your previous claim of.... ?
“The cheapest EV in the US is already a bit more than half the cost of the average new gas car, ”

Nope. Not at all. That's a fact.

Nissan Leaf - $27,500 without subsidies (under $20,000 with tax credit)

https://electrek.co/2021/08/03/nissan-slashes-2022-leaf-price-below-30k-now-the-cheapest-ev-available-in-the-us/

Average price of new gas car $47,000

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-pricing-negotiation/average-new-car-price-all-time-high-a4060089312/#:~:text=For%20the%20first%20time%20ever,an%20online%20marketplace%20for%20cars.

 

[calab]

Thats not bad for a ev nissan leaf $27k for 226 miles on 40kw so what they are really saying is 125-150 miles on 40kw, and if you live in colder climates 100 mile range. The Plus versions are 62kw.

Youd have to look at an equivalency for the Leaf, small car 4 cyl like the Versa from Nissan for $18,600.

 

[Ianhill]

Ahh, changed your mind a little then jack, from your previous claim of.... ?
“The cheapest EV in the US is already a bit more than half the cost of the average new gas car, ”

Nope. Not at all. That's a fact.

Nissan Leaf - $27,500 without subsidies (under $20,000 with tax credit)

https://electrek.co/2021/08/03/nissan-slashes-2022-leaf-price-below-30k-now-the-cheapest-ev-available-in-the-us/

Average price of new gas car $47,000

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-pricing-negotiation/average-new-car-price-all-time-high-a4060089312/#:~:text=For%20the%20first%20time%20ever,an%20online%20marketplace%20for%20cars.

You can not use the cheapest battery car then the average price for combustion cars as thats not a fair picture, the cheapest gas guzzler is alot less than $47000 and a like for like equivelent say a ford focus is still alot cheaper new or on the used market for a simular year and spec car.

Im not saying lets bin battery cars but it clearly why one is preffered and if the other was cheaper for distance driving taxi firms be all over mr musks claim of financial suicide to buy anything other than a tesla even though he was dribbling out the bum hole on his face again.

All you done is spot a trend new cars are going up in price as there's only upper classes shopping there anymore the pinch is so tight on most talking about a new car is nothing more than dream world for them myself included so most are stuck with a 10 year old car that would struggle to replace let alone get a new one.

 

[Ianhill]

As for the co2 depate its one of hundreds of gases in our air soup what about oxygen levels and the toxins floating about from uncompleted fuel burns, if it was just co2 even that would be an issue but it aint no petrol gas or hydrogen if burnt is long term sustainable its all deadly in some way over time to much anything is no good fine balance exists near enough everywhere and were lucky enough to still exist but dull enough to take it for granted myself no different.

 

[Hillhater]

ALL life on our planet NEEDS CO2 to live !
Below 250-280 ppm... everything dies .!

So 20,000 years ago, when CO2 levels were 180ppm - everything died?

You might want to re-check your logic on that.

Ahh, yes well spotted.
That was meant to read 150-180ppm !
And there was not much happening.. it was an ice age period. !

 

[neptronix]

As one of earth's most abundant and renewable resources it is nice to have and raises standards of living.

Plants love the CO2 and so it's green too.

That's a pretty inflammatory statement. It better not start a flame war. :|

We don't need any crazy talk here. Save it for someplace else.

He's not entirely crazy.

Higher CO2 levels do benefit plants, to the point where some indoor grow operations have co2 generators.
A long time ago, the CDC established that higher CO2 means that plants create more allergens in response to higher CO2 levels when being grown inside a dome.

CO2 is actual plant food.

Other emissions produced during the explosion of gasoline such as sulfur dioxide, nitrogen dioxide, CO, various hydrocarbons, are toxic to all life though.

So unfortunately, driving a fuel-waster 9000 is the opposite of a permaculture-promoting technique.
There is no 'bright side' to using petroleum.

 

[Hillhater]

Nissan Leaf - $27,500 without subsidies (under $20,000 with tax credit)

Average price of new gas car $47,000

Thats not even a weak argument,..its a non argument !
...and subsidies / tax credits ...they only hide the real costs !
PS,.. Are you still rethinking that crap about price trends of EVs?

 

[SafeDiscDancing]

Now we see pipelines shut down on purpose.

No pipelines are shut down on purpose (fact.)

FALSE.

Think of the sequence...

America completes the Keystone pipeline and it is immediately shut down before even being used.

Russia had plans to supply Europe with cheap oil with a pipeline and they shut that down.

Israel discovered oil offshore and was going to be able to supply oil and they shut that down too.

Then add all the drilling permits denied.

There was nothing random or accidental about this oil cutoff.

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In objective reality we are seeing the "Great Reset" being done exactly as planned.

Go read the book.

Klaus Schwab who is a sort of arch James Bond style villian (as is George Soros and Bill Gates) literally wrote a book about how their super rich cult plans to rob us blind and then reduce us to Serfdom.

There is a point now where if you "ignore" you become the definition of "ignorant".

These people publish their plans so you really cannot pretend it isn't real.

And these are the trillionaires who go to Davos, Bilderberg, and came out of the Club of Rome (Cecil Rhodes) so it's no joke.

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At some point we either accept the censored "ignore" posture OR we develop full Critical Thinking skills.

Critical Thinking is the first three of the Seven Liberal Arts.

1) Grammar - Examine the raw evidence. Do not ignore evidence. Do not allow censorship of evidence

2) Logic - In the Logic phase you think for yourself as an individual and reject peer pressure. Reject the official narrative.

3) Rhetoric - Finally you need Free Speech to communicate to others your ideas.

Think of what this means...

If people "return to their senses" and use Critical Thinking to arrive at truth could their be DIFFERENCES in opinion?

Yes. It does happen and because people are often only able to see partially the evidence and different sets of evidence can generate different Logic.

But in general if people "Sense" and "Think" they tend to merge in truth.

When these individuals merge their "Sensed" reality we call that "Common Sense".

Common Sense is the end result of individuals independently arriving at the same Logic.

Common Sense is NOT what the "official narrative" cranks out... that is propaganda.

The "official narrative" is manufactured to be forced upon unthinking slave type personalities.

The true "Free Man" places Critical Thinking above his own pride.

This means in Critical Thinking when you realize an error you simply change position.

It is a kind of slavery to conform and then get emotionally attached to programming.

So you get this paradox of the most programmed conformist being the one who gets the most emotional.

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Okay... that's enough for today... gasp...