The fingers
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Regular $2.65, supreme $2.89 per gallon. 
gas price thread
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MrDude_1
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gogo said:
what? I cant hear you over the sound of pumping gas at $1.40 a gallon.
sendler2112
100 kW
Low price is not a reason to waste gas.
Chalo
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I saw $1.56 for 87 octane as I rode by on my bike today.
Strange days. I'm not looking forward to the prices of everything else, once fuel comes back up. Cheap gas makes people do stupid things that they have to keep living with when gas isn't cheap anymore
Strange days. I'm not looking forward to the prices of everything else, once fuel comes back up. Cheap gas makes people do stupid things that they have to keep living with when gas isn't cheap anymore
It may come back, but not for long. Cheap energy is OVER.
http://ourfiniteworld.com/2016/01/07/2016-oil-limits-and-the-end-of-the-debt-supercycle/
My dad, who was a kid in the Great Depression, was fond of saying, "Movies were only a nickle, if only you had a nickle."
http://ourfiniteworld.com/2016/01/07/2016-oil-limits-and-the-end-of-the-debt-supercycle/
My dad, who was a kid in the Great Depression, was fond of saying, "Movies were only a nickle, if only you had a nickle."
tomjasz
1 GW
Less tha 30% of vehicle sales are efficient cars the rest of the American asshats are still buy land barges. Ignorance is bliss!Chalo said:
Hillhater
100 TW
back to the 1960's...47 c/gal at one servo !
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=65057&p=1141976#p1141976
MrDude_1
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Im not wasting it.sendler2112 said:
I am thoroughly enjoying it.
You just take the gas, add some castor oil
and enjoy the smokey bean oil smell of a properly tuned big bore two stroke.
Small town near us just opened a Sheetz. Having a price war with the BP station next door. Both at $1.55. Sheetz offering free coffee. Reminds me of when I was a kid in Wisconsin. You'd get a free gallon of milk with a fillup, and a free toaster, if you opened a $10 savings account at the bank. The good old days....so they say.
sendler2112
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A little fuel powered recreation is ok once in a while. But I hope you aren't commuting to work in a 20 mpg gas hog.MrDude_1 said:
MrDude_1
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sendler2112 said:
Well... If I did commute in a 2mpg leaking fuel tank car, I would still use less fuel than a 30mpg car with a shorter than average commute.
Mostly because its less than 3 miles to my work.
That said, the Jeep I sold a couple months back did 16-19mpg... because its all 30 or 35mph roads, stop and go.. mostly stopped, waiting for lights.
My two new cars are both direct injected, modern engines. Heathers car even gets 43mpg doing 80MPH! it can hold over 40mpg at all highway speeds, and its nice to drive.
But both of those cars, also get 19mpg if I commute with them... because you're stopped, and most engines need about the same power to idle... so same fuel consumption.
Thats also why its ideal for me to commute with an electric vehicle.... when its working.
It isn't that simple. Considering just CO2 emissions, scrapping an old car and replacing it with a new more fuel-efficient (or electric) one requires you to drive a lot of miles to offset the embodied energy of the new car. E.g. a quick example I saw the other day: scrap a 30mpg car and replace with a small 50mpg car. Driving 8000 miles a year it takes 7 years before you break even on CO2 emissions. For large, hybrid or electric cars it's likely to be worse due to the greater embodied energy.
If you have a short commute and an old car you're better off keeping it and getting maximum use out of the energy used to make it. The effects of local air pollution are a separate issue.
Reduce (drive less)
Reuse (keep cars longer)
Recycle (scrap and replace)
If you have a short commute and an old car you're better off keeping it and getting maximum use out of the energy used to make it. The effects of local air pollution are a separate issue.
Reduce (drive less)
Reuse (keep cars longer)
Recycle (scrap and replace)
MrDude_1
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Punx0r said:
Cows also produce tons of CO2 and greenhouse gasses.
When it comes to CO2 emissions, I do my part by trying to eat as many cows as possible, and choking stupid people.
I dont know if it will change the world, but I feel good knowing that I am doing my part.
sendler2112
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That's a feel good way of excusing hanging on to an old gas guzzler. Got a link?Punx0r said:
Punx0r said:
Some factories are now using clean energy to produce the cars and their batteries or parts of them.
Old Cars REALLY pollute and unless you spend a bunch of time and money working on them to bring them up to current air quality standards which also produces C02 then they are FAR worse then new cars. My 69 road runner produces about 130x the emissions to do a trip then a new challenger. Or if you compare to an electric its not even funny.
Also I have a pink 1988 Honda CRX with a tired motor and rotten exhaust and its burning pretty dirty. Its something around 50x the pollution of a new Honda CRZ. But I am only keeping the CRX insured because I am days away from driving the electric CRX I am building. As well if we by a new electric we can trade anything in 2000 or older for $3250 off the electric as long as its been insured for the last 6months or longer. We are aiming for a new electric within the next year. Model 3 maybe
When you take into conciteration all the facts maintenance and repairs etc old cars should still be replaced unless you can keep them going and burning clean with minimal C02 impact.
MrDude_1
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Arlo1 said:
Depends on how you define an old car.
A 15 year old car today was made in 2000. It has the same cats, injectors, etc and may even be the same generation of motor as a new 2016.
A properly running modern EFI car is just as clean per unit of fuel consumed, regardless of age.
So now you just need to look at the amount of fuel consumed... and then you find older, more economical cars that are better than newer, less economical ones. Your rule of thumb just went out the window.
wineboyrider
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My 1994 Tercel gets 40 mpg highway is fuel injected and has a catalytic converter.
sendler2112
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That is a keeper. Anything getting 20 mpgUS highway regardless of the year, not so much.wineboyrider said:My 1994 Tercel gets 40 mpg highway is fuel injected and has a catalytic converter.
Chalo
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sendler2112 said:That is a keeper. Anything getting 20 mpgUS highway regardless of the year, not so much.wineboyrider said:My 1994 Tercel gets 40 mpg highway is fuel injected and has a catalytic converter.
A 20 mpg car that has already run over 100,000 miles is probably a better energy bargain than any new car. Manufacturing isn't energy efficient or emissions free. A typical gas car takes about as much energy to make as it will use as fuel during its service life.
Chalo said:
This is the main reason Obama's cash for clunkers program was faulty. It destroyed useful capital, unjustly robbed some for the benefit of select others, and wasn't a net benefit to society. (See the broken window fallacy).
sendler2112
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Sierra club says it only takes 260 gallons of energy to make a car.
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It takes roughly the equivalent of 260 gallons of gasoline to make the typical car of around 3,000 pounds, according to an exhaustive study by the Argonne National Laboratory. (And I do mean exhaustive. These guys have factored in darn near everything but the calories consumed by the assembly-line workers.) A hybrid car takes about 25% more energy than a regular car, or around the equivalent of 325 gallons because it requires more juice to make the batteries.
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http://sierraclub.typepad.com/greenlife/2013/10/hey-mr-green-how-much-energy-to-manufacture-new-car.html
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It takes roughly the equivalent of 260 gallons of gasoline to make the typical car of around 3,000 pounds, according to an exhaustive study by the Argonne National Laboratory. (And I do mean exhaustive. These guys have factored in darn near everything but the calories consumed by the assembly-line workers.) A hybrid car takes about 25% more energy than a regular car, or around the equivalent of 325 gallons because it requires more juice to make the batteries.
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http://sierraclub.typepad.com/greenlife/2013/10/hey-mr-green-how-much-energy-to-manufacture-new-car.html
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MrDude_1
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sendler2112 said:
260 gallons:
@40mpg -- 10,400 miles
@30mpg -- 7,800 miles
@20mpg -- 5,200 miles
260 gallons:
With 18 gallon tank: 14.4 fill-ups
With 17 gallon tank: 15.3 fill-ups
With 16 gallon tank: 16.3 fill-ups
With 15 gallon tank: 17.33 fill-ups
With 14 gallon tank: 18.5 fill-ups
With 13 gallon tank: 20 fill-ups
With 12 gallon tank: 21.6 fill-ups
so assuming you're the average person, you will need to fill your tank only about 20 times to reach that offset mark.
sendler2112
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I'm feeling pretty good about crushing my 1991 Mercedes 560 SEL which got 16.5 mpgUS in trade for my brand new at the time 2009 Honda fit with a 70,000 mile so far and a life time average of 37 mpgUS.
jimw1960
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MrDude_1 said:
Cows are effectively carbon neutral. Grass grows and removes CO2 from the air; cow eats grass and farts CO2 back into the air. Fossil fuels are entirely different as they take CO2 that was removed from the atmosphere over hundreds of millions of years (making Earth habitable for humans) and buried deep in the Earth, and release it back into the atmosphere at the current rate of over 30 billion tons per year.
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