Hillhater
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DogDipstick said:
WTF ? What the heck are you trying to say ?
Whatever it is, find a better, more direct, way....rather that just cut/paste irrelavant quotes.that waste screen space and reader time. !
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WTF ? What the heck are you trying to say ?
Whatever it is, find a better, more direct, way....rather that just cut/paste irrelavant quotes.that waste screen space and reader time. !
Hillhater
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j bjork said:
You have missed the point...
Jack believe that EV prices have been on a downward trend for the past 10 years , and will continue downward in the future.
.i posted the evidence suggested otherwise..
.From previous posts
You have to take a look at the entire picture.
a) How much is a gallon of gas
b) How far can your current vehicle on a gallon of gas
c) How much is a new gasoline car vs an electric car
d) What are the maintenance and repair costs associated with each vehicle
e) Are parts easily purchased at your local dealership or do you have to wait for Elon Musks nod
f) insurance costs
g) Return on investment, this is where electrics and hybrids can shine. Remember that not all ev's have the same ROI
Many many other factors to consider, can you tow, how much can you tow the list is different for each person.
a) How much is a gallon of gas
b) How far can your current vehicle on a gallon of gas
c) How much is a new gasoline car vs an electric car
d) What are the maintenance and repair costs associated with each vehicle
e) Are parts easily purchased at your local dealership or do you have to wait for Elon Musks nod
f) insurance costs
g) Return on investment, this is where electrics and hybrids can shine. Remember that not all ev's have the same ROI
Many many other factors to consider, can you tow, how much can you tow the list is different for each person.
DogDipstick
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Here is a simplified explanation. Reference included. What I am trying to say, Mr. H. Hater, is that I have seen the Acid rain, take the masterpieces, in my lifetime. I have seen the effluents,into the rivers, cleaned. I have seen companies pay millions to adhere to the Federal and State policy, and why that reflects on the consumer's bottom line. I have also seen how the power industry has geared toward "Greener, Cleaner Power", and have worked to that goal for years. I have seen what it takes, what is going on, and what will happen in the future. I have seen the costs. With our tiny contribution. I do have a certain hate for those that complain about gas prices nowadays. Get over it. Man up and pay.
I do hate those, that use the cost of gasoline, as a reason to ignore the consequences of ones own actions ( Global warming and smog generations) (the masterpieces rotting away), and to pilfer the worlds resources, to no end, while quibbling over the price they pay. I will admit that.
https://www3.epa.gov/acidrain/education/site_students/whatcauses.html
Do you know what the " DEP" is? Mr. Hater? Here: I'll google it, for you .. Trust me, there is no "wasted screen space" in this link:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=DEP
Please do not call my company's resume ... "Wasted screen space". It represents years of experience in the field.
SafeDiscDancing
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We all know about the:
"Controlled Opposition Accusation".
But how many focus on the:
"Conspiracy Theory Accusation"?
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Remember.... actual Critical Thinking (Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric) was designed to not permit an "accusation" to cloud reason.
Only the evidence matters.
Let me repeat... ONLY the evidence matters.
Once you fall into the "Devil's Advocate" trap of accusation you have lost everything.
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What I'm saying is that "Evidence must drive Logic".
Most people do not naturally go this way and their Logic is formulated with a lot of "unthinking" areas.
The saying:
"The unexamined life is not worth living."
...was about pointing out how living a life conforming to programming is worse than death.
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The "hard truth" about CO2 is that the most basic thing on this earth... the plants... LOVE it and thrive when more of it exists.
We all need to ponder deeply on this.
Why might certain globalist entities push this idea that CO2 is bad?
Why might these same folks talk again and again about reducing the population?
All I'm saying is you need to think outside the programming.
Connect the dots as an individual and reject the fake experts.
"Controlled Opposition Accusation".
But how many focus on the:
"Conspiracy Theory Accusation"?
------------------
Remember.... actual Critical Thinking (Grammar, Logic, Rhetoric) was designed to not permit an "accusation" to cloud reason.
Only the evidence matters.
Let me repeat... ONLY the evidence matters.
Once you fall into the "Devil's Advocate" trap of accusation you have lost everything.
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What I'm saying is that "Evidence must drive Logic".
Most people do not naturally go this way and their Logic is formulated with a lot of "unthinking" areas.
The saying:
"The unexamined life is not worth living."
...was about pointing out how living a life conforming to programming is worse than death.
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The "hard truth" about CO2 is that the most basic thing on this earth... the plants... LOVE it and thrive when more of it exists.
We all need to ponder deeply on this.
Why might certain globalist entities push this idea that CO2 is bad?
Why might these same folks talk again and again about reducing the population?
All I'm saying is you need to think outside the programming.
Connect the dots as an individual and reject the fake experts.
nicobie
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SafeDiscDancing said:
Do you know what happens when there's too many rats in a cage with limited resources?
The answer can be found by watching any news channel.
The way things are going Homo Sapiens are slowly committing suicide.
CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING
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Sure, I'll just ignore those melting ice caps, and getting over 60 degrees Farenheit in January.SafeDiscDancing said:
You screech about programming but keep using pop culture references. Quit acting like an expert. Cope.
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nicobie said:
Thankfully, with the constant increase of standards of living even the UN doesn't believe we'll even see 9 billion humans, let alone 10. Good thing too, Climate change is gonna seriously screw up coastlines and waterways- and that's where more than a quarter of this planet lives.
Hillhater
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Why didnt you do that the first time ?DogDipstick said:
I still do not see the relavence , or need , to post your company’s resume here. .DogDipstick said:
It is not the place for a resume. !
nicobie said:
^-- that.
Reduce population voluntarily, or it will be reduced involuntarily through mass suicide, mass murder, or starvation.
This is what it looks like in the animal kingdom when the limit of population is exceeded. Daily suicide becomes a way of life.
[youtube]7_N_xF7IUdA[/youtube]
Japan, another part of the planet that's full, and has no prospect of NOT being full, is a place that manages it's population by suicide. This grim fact has been so accepted in the culture that it became a 'norm'.
Other societies relieve this stress through outward violence instead of inward violence. We refer to this as war.
Stress gets relieved one way or another. The best thing you can do is not build it in the first place.
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Acid rain.
1985 i was born industry was still left in uk plenty of coal been burnt and evidence of direct acid rain from our own industry chimneys cooling and falling on our land showing areas upsteam of the average windflow worse affected meaning the acid was our own pollution falling on our heads.
Fast forward 36 years and what do i notice about the greenery in my area ? Only high ph level plants are thriving and the acid rain has not gone the chimneys and direct impact has near enough shrunk to nothing but britains weather is alot of sea rain and its clear its burning the land as a whole.
The land that had suffered heavy scorching nkw has green on it but only high ph plants are thriving, we fixed the chimney issue but the sea still absorbs more and more co2 so acidity rises and so the rains acidic baseline has increased even though the chimneys are long gone.
Shows to me what one does is not enough if as a whole the burning still continues to rise were dull for not pushing nuclear to the max my eyes with cutting edge safety design, its clear all pollution cloud seeds dirty rain and the signs are there just stop and look the lands changing even were no human impact happens theres dead bushes that i could never run through as it be over my head just 25 year ago.
1985 i was born industry was still left in uk plenty of coal been burnt and evidence of direct acid rain from our own industry chimneys cooling and falling on our land showing areas upsteam of the average windflow worse affected meaning the acid was our own pollution falling on our heads.
Fast forward 36 years and what do i notice about the greenery in my area ? Only high ph level plants are thriving and the acid rain has not gone the chimneys and direct impact has near enough shrunk to nothing but britains weather is alot of sea rain and its clear its burning the land as a whole.
The land that had suffered heavy scorching nkw has green on it but only high ph plants are thriving, we fixed the chimney issue but the sea still absorbs more and more co2 so acidity rises and so the rains acidic baseline has increased even though the chimneys are long gone.
Shows to me what one does is not enough if as a whole the burning still continues to rise were dull for not pushing nuclear to the max my eyes with cutting edge safety design, its clear all pollution cloud seeds dirty rain and the signs are there just stop and look the lands changing even were no human impact happens theres dead bushes that i could never run through as it be over my head just 25 year ago.
CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING
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I'd rather hope human population goes down because living standards continue to rise, and i'd say it's a worthy cause to fight for.
This comment, my fellow forumites, is a prime example of what the kids call "Coping and Seething", in case anyone hasn't kept up with twitter bullshit lingo. Typically happens when everyone shows how dumb you are and you get blown the frock out.
Hey DogDipstick, what field do you work in? By your description I'd say, you either consult and work with electricity on the national grid scale, or maybe work with steamfitting and pressure vessels?
Hillhater said:
This comment, my fellow forumites, is a prime example of what the kids call "Coping and Seething", in case anyone hasn't kept up with twitter bullshit lingo. Typically happens when everyone shows how dumb you are and you get blown the frock out.
Hey DogDipstick, what field do you work in? By your description I'd say, you either consult and work with electricity on the national grid scale, or maybe work with steamfitting and pressure vessels?
Chalo
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CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING said:
Living standards will rise when there are fewer people, not the other way around. Fecundity in a society diminishes with prosperity, but it observably doesn't reduce populations by the amount we now require.
The fix we need will be either by people freely choosing to do the right thing and limit their crotch droppings, or else the Reverend Malthus's horsemen will fix things for us. Or maybe for as long as we can, we'll keep trying to cheat the inevitable, and things will keep getting more polluted, miserable, and unjust.
I like to think human society will eventually demonstrate that it's smarter than a cancer, but if we can't or won't manage it I suppose we deserve what's coming to us.
Yes we have become a deadly pathogen in Mother Gaia's body
and her immune system is kicking in to eliminate us.
Unless we have a mass raising of consciousness and instantiate our role as caretaker, forest recovery management.
We are supposed to live in a garden, not toil for toxic garbage
and her immune system is kicking in to eliminate us.
Unless we have a mass raising of consciousness and instantiate our role as caretaker, forest recovery management.
We are supposed to live in a garden, not toil for toxic garbage
One thing or another will limit population. Pick your poison.
A manhattan-project style approach to developing the best ( least side effects, cheapest, most available, most effective, non-permanent ) birth control, something good enough and safe enough that you could put it on the shelf of every grocery store without worries of harm to health, would be my best option to eliminate resource stress we are seeing.
And maybe.. gasp.. mindful conservation.
Or we can do the ol war thing, i guess...
A manhattan-project style approach to developing the best ( least side effects, cheapest, most available, most effective, non-permanent ) birth control, something good enough and safe enough that you could put it on the shelf of every grocery store without worries of harm to health, would be my best option to eliminate resource stress we are seeing.
And maybe.. gasp.. mindful conservation.
Or we can do the ol war thing, i guess...
That last point is gonna get you in trouble with some.
Prevention is a lot easier.
Speaking of resource stress, the Ukranian supply of neon ( used in processor manufacture ), which is ~50% of the world's supply, is now offline to the west and maybe the world.
I would very strongly suggest you buy a computer if you're looking at one right now.
It would take 9 months to build the capacity to replace what was lost in Ukraine.
I have the feeling it is going to be another very rough year for anything with a processor!!
Prevention is a lot easier.
Speaking of resource stress, the Ukranian supply of neon ( used in processor manufacture ), which is ~50% of the world's supply, is now offline to the west and maybe the world.
I would very strongly suggest you buy a computer if you're looking at one right now.
It would take 9 months to build the capacity to replace what was lost in Ukraine.
I have the feeling it is going to be another very rough year for anything with a processor!!
nicobie
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neptronix said:
I just hope it doesn't get worse than it already is. A 3080 GPU is now going for $1500+. I paid less than $500 for my 2080 not that long ago. (Ebay)
Hillhater
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Really, What evidence are you basing that statement on ?Chalo said:
And what metric are you using to gauge “living standards” ?...
..average life expectancy ?
.. the definition of poverty ?
All the data to present would suggest that as the population has increased, so have the “living standards”
Maybe you would prefer to live back in the 19th century with half the population ?
Most of the improvement in society is due to having more brains to solve problems, and more hands to produce those things that improve our living standards.
Of course , with more bodies, comes more undesireable side effects, but that will be managed also.
DogDipstick
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I reaaaalllly realy hate it when someone says " the grid cannot handle it and then the greenhouse gasses and river effluents are just gonna be polluted anywhay! We need gasoline! It will just come fromt he power plant instead!
Well, those plants have some VERY expensive machines to meet VERY strict regulation for environmental protection. Grrrrrr.
Nah, its an opinion, I was not offended when I came about ( was at first). Looked at it deeper. I chalk it up to some people just think differently. Read and absorb differently. Focus on different things. Some people might not see what the price of gas has to do with anything I posted, and some people ( me and you) might not fathom HOW anyone doesnt see it.
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=114758#p1704178
This post I lay out some of the things I have done in life....and yes we have worked around, built, do build, and certify, many boilers. I am the guy who welds the tag on the boiler for the engineering company after the testing proof. We work with Mennonites with plasma cutters, Corel Draw, and metal yards to build what we want. Yes, My father rides bikes and has worked in the power industry for 50 years plus, I do ride on his coat tails right behind him. I grew up in around a thousand powerplants. Kinda wish I had one of my own.... We did have a diesel generation plant in our home, running, selling power back to the ISO, for my entire childhood. I can show some pics. FoSho'. I am certified in water treatment in Pa and I labor for my fathers company,: But mostly I scrub floors. The post goes on a few posts lower.
It is just to show SDD, and in particular, anyone who cares, the importance of alot of the things I have done in life, and I have seen, and been educated in, in concert with the DEP and the position(s) they insist upon... ( the type of:, ie working in a bunch or water treatment plants: ie save the environment, know the cost, operate the plant: Building a scrubber for a thousand plants, troubleshooting them, ie cost and requirement) and what I have seen. The experience I have had. What I grew up with and eventually studied to be certified in. In contrast to the claim of " Social Media" being the reference source for what SDD thinks we get most of our edjumacation from. It is to show my friend that I am not swayed by " Social media, " but the list I posted, and things like that throughout life.
... *relevance .
I have not driven in ten years. Picture is alot different for alot of us. Some people live in NYC and never ever even turnted the key on an automobiles daily. However, everything you say is true.
[youtube]8JsCxSiyaAU[/youtube]
The argument against EV utilization, renewable resources, modernization, ...and for drilling our parks, for a nonrenewable resource, is something I would go to war over. Certainly.
Well, those plants have some VERY expensive machines to meet VERY strict regulation for environmental protection. Grrrrrr.
CONSIDERABLE SHOUTING said:
Nah, its an opinion, I was not offended when I came about ( was at first). Looked at it deeper. I chalk it up to some people just think differently. Read and absorb differently. Focus on different things. Some people might not see what the price of gas has to do with anything I posted, and some people ( me and you) might not fathom HOW anyone doesnt see it.
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=114758#p1704178
This post I lay out some of the things I have done in life....and yes we have worked around, built, do build, and certify, many boilers. I am the guy who welds the tag on the boiler for the engineering company after the testing proof. We work with Mennonites with plasma cutters, Corel Draw, and metal yards to build what we want. Yes, My father rides bikes and has worked in the power industry for 50 years plus, I do ride on his coat tails right behind him. I grew up in around a thousand powerplants. Kinda wish I had one of my own.... We did have a diesel generation plant in our home, running, selling power back to the ISO, for my entire childhood. I can show some pics. FoSho'. I am certified in water treatment in Pa and I labor for my fathers company,: But mostly I scrub floors. The post goes on a few posts lower.
Hillhater said:
It is just to show SDD, and in particular, anyone who cares, the importance of alot of the things I have done in life, and I have seen, and been educated in, in concert with the DEP and the position(s) they insist upon... ( the type of:, ie working in a bunch or water treatment plants: ie save the environment, know the cost, operate the plant: Building a scrubber for a thousand plants, troubleshooting them, ie cost and requirement) and what I have seen. The experience I have had. What I grew up with and eventually studied to be certified in. In contrast to the claim of " Social Media" being the reference source for what SDD thinks we get most of our edjumacation from. It is to show my friend that I am not swayed by " Social media, " but the list I posted, and things like that throughout life.
... *relevance .
calab said:
I have not driven in ten years. Picture is alot different for alot of us. Some people live in NYC and never ever even turnted the key on an automobiles daily. However, everything you say is true.
neptronix said:
[youtube]8JsCxSiyaAU[/youtube]
The argument against EV utilization, renewable resources, modernization, ...and for drilling our parks, for a nonrenewable resource, is something I would go to war over. Certainly.
DogDipstick
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neptronix said:
This will be, very interesting to see, whether it will materialize or not. I hock alot of processors. Got a buyer who will buy anything off me any time. I always found it strange that some Asian guy will buy, anything, even a Core 2 duo, or Pentium, off me, and ship it our overseas if it works. For what ever profit may be there.
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It doesnt matter if you own a car your home or even work a homeless person has daily food from a food bank that's had oil in its delivery chain and growth delivery of feeds etc, the free clothing will have oil all over that.
What the world needs is to cut its addiction as much as possible but that aint gonna happen without oil, highspeed electric rail link best find some oil to run the heavy equipment its never ending before i even think of transporting my meat sack anywhere so a clean hippy approach wont work it will have to be scientific and widely agreed that 2050 plans are bollocks we need serious effort to get serious on nuclear with modern plants that self service the reactor into contrete blocks no human interaction that can be used for the footing of some unfavourables house and prisons for the lifers etc free radium lollipops.
What the world needs is to cut its addiction as much as possible but that aint gonna happen without oil, highspeed electric rail link best find some oil to run the heavy equipment its never ending before i even think of transporting my meat sack anywhere so a clean hippy approach wont work it will have to be scientific and widely agreed that 2050 plans are bollocks we need serious effort to get serious on nuclear with modern plants that self service the reactor into contrete blocks no human interaction that can be used for the footing of some unfavourables house and prisons for the lifers etc free radium lollipops.
Ah I see you must have missed this part
To each their own DogDipstick, everyone has their own story, just a matter of willing to post it or not.
I decide not to for myself which is why this post seems oddly written. Just left the quote and some generalized insights.
To each their own DogDipstick, everyone has their own story, just a matter of willing to post it or not.
I decide not to for myself which is why this post seems oddly written. Just left the quote and some generalized insights.
DogDipstick said:
Chalo
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These moments are when car drivers begin to pay a tiny amount of the cost they've exacted on everybody else. And we can enjoy these moments for that at least.
DogDipstick
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calab said:
No, I got it. I did once drive cars every day, powering through the rat race. What I am honestly worried about the cost of the homeheating fuel, propane, too :things like that: and the sudden concept, that tends to go around in this modern day in age... that a heat pump... might be a good idea, very efficient: and useful to the average consumer: under the auspices of " clean power"...
Chalo said:
You know what I would say to that?
"What you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. God have Mercy on your soul. "
(.....If I was a car driver paying 8$ a gallon for premium....) (Lol good thing Im not.....) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I personally, am the kind of person who can hardly afford a propper restoration of the Big Block 460 in the garage.
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