New "TSDZ2 Torque Sensor Central Motor"

[skestans]

Anybody knows where to get a replacement X seal, the one that goes around the main gear behind the plastic cover?

Mine broke a while back and I thought I could live without it but I looked inside recently and some grit made it in.

This is the seal I’m after:

 

[electroriderIT]

UPDATE!
it looks like I solved the problem of the motor activating to easily without weight ( shown in my video)..
I changed min current and step to ZERO


Also played with startup boost but then changed back to "DISABLED"

what are your STARTUP BOOST settings?

here we go! I calibrated again in a more scientific way
here the results...what do you think?
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But SAME BEHAVIOUR of the pedals!!!
I CANT GET RID OF THIS:
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as Other informations that may help you or CAsahino himself to help me..is this...I don't have idea if the values recorrect when I make the pedals rotate without weight:
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HELPPPPPPPPP

It’s a big gap between 10 and 45 and 70. I’d suggest using weights in between these values and getting rid of the 5kg measurement as it’s too close to the 6kg.

Whatever value you get is what you put into the firmware. Everyone has widely different values and that’s why calibration is necessary. There isn’t much point in comparing values across units.

 

[lumr002]

For TSDZ2 with OSF V1.1 and 860 display.. can anyone help?...I do have a problem with the power. The motor PAS will not work when I pedal. The display shows human power when I pedal but no matter what power level I select, the motor power shows zero. When I apply throttle power (with no pedaling), the motor powers up and moves the bike. If I then start pedaling while holding the throttle, the motor starts assisting and I get a readout on the motor power and everything works fine. I can release the throttle and the motor continues assisting BUT once I stop pedaling and human power drops to zero, the motor assist will not come back on until I engage the throttle again. I tried adjusting the distance between the speed sensor and magnet and even removed the speed sensor but it was not the speed sensor.

Any recommendations on how to fix this?

 

[skestans]

For TSDZ2 with OSF V1.1 and 860 display.. can anyone help?...I do have a problem with the power. The motor PAS will not work when I pedal. The display shows human power when I pedal but no matter what power level I select, the motor power shows zero. When I apply throttle power (with no pedaling), the motor powers up and moves the bike. If I then start pedaling while holding the throttle, the motor starts assisting and I get a readout on the motor power and everything works fine. I can release the throttle and the motor continues assisting BUT once I stop pedaling and human power drops to zero, the motor assist will not come back on until I engage the throttle again. I tried adjusting the distance between the speed sensor and magnet and even removed the speed sensor but it was not the speed sensor.

Any recommendations on how to fix this?

Stupid question, but… did you try with assist level > 0? Asking because I did that mistake myself the first time, I didn’t realize it defaults to assist 0 after flashing.

 

[electroriderIT]

POLL OF THE DAY!!!

Which is your best combination of parameters to have in a page??

 

[lumr002]

I did not flash. I bought motor and display with OSF V1.1 already installed from Eco-Cycles.

 

[lumr002]

I did not flash. I bought motor and display with OSF V1.1 already installed from Eco-Cycles.

 

[Kasheftin]

I've just bought and installed TSDZ2 250w / 36v and it does not work.
Did I miss some button or config setting?
- Battery fully charged;
- Speed sensor installed;
- I don't have throttle lever;
- Screen is working, shows battery, shows speed, all the buttons work, I can change assist level;
- Set walk assist to ON (went to settings using power+i, then pressed i four times, VLCD5);

The engine looks dead. Tried running a bike, tried walking (hold - button for walk assist). Not a single sign of life, no sound etc.

Then installed both e-brakes - no change.Tried disconnecting speed sensor/brakes - no change.

I don't have throttle lever, tried to touch contacts with a screwdriver - no effect.

Anything else I can do before sending the bike to the nearest city service center?

 

[jbalat]

Anything else I can do before sending the bike to the nearest city service center?

For a 36v motor the battery should be less than 42v. Maybe get it down to 40v and try again just in case
There is a hidden setting to check your torque sensor it working too. Make sure you don’t have any weight on the peddles when you turn on your motor

 

[Kasheftin]

Discharged to 39.5v, the engine still does not work.

 

[Antoneo]

Hi everyone, glad to be here, you very much helped me in hard install process of this engine to my full-suspension Kona Coil Air 2012 :thumb: I have read all 347 pages and make right conclusion how to be in my situation..
It was a long way to fit TSDZ2 in my non-standard bottom bracket and frsme, so many aluminium dust is chipped away
I can't use back holder because of unique frame, so i decided to improve a friction forces between motor case and frame & security ring. Now it holds only on one security plate screw, but motor can't rotating forward because of no place to go, frame bottom is just don't allows it.
Additionally i used rubber ring on drive side to prevent vibration and it's working perfectly as i suggested - no noice or any unpredictable movings..
Here you can see some pictures of process and final result. Kona Coil Air 2012 have 36 Fox Talas fork with 140-180mm clearance and 150-210mm Magic Link rear suspension with Fox Float RP2
It's 15,6kg weight, +3,8kg TSDZ2 motor +4,5kg 19Ah battery (i think it's enough to 200km of mixed ride, because i use most ECO and TOUR modes).
So i can fly on air with my bike with unplugged battery and start to planning a trip around Lykia Trail in Turkey (south coast, Mediterranean sea) at this summer.. it's about 500km from Dalaman airport to Antalya.
And I'll be glad if somebody wants to join me in this trip, i am road structure (geotechnical) engineer, it will not be boring with me
My 36th birthday was yesterday and i am full of positive emotions which i like to share .
And my bike is just reborn with this modification, as i expected!
I'll be glad to answer any questions and share information, don't be shy, i like new people.
Thanks for this thread

 

[mctubster]

Hi everyone, glad to be here, you very much helped me in hard install process of this engine to my full-suspension Kona Coil Air 2012 :thumb: I have read all 347 pages and make right conclusion how to be in my situation..

...

And my bike is just reborn with this modification, as i expected!
I'll be glad to answer any questions and share information, don't be shy, i like new people.
Thanks for this thread

Love it, congrats on your build, looks great

 

[casainho]

My 36th birthday was yesterday and i am full of positive emotions which i like to share .
And my bike is just reborn with this modification, as i expected!
I'll be glad to answer any questions and share information, don't be shy, i like new people.
Thanks for this thread

Thanks for sharing and nice building. However I think that battery is not that beautiful on that place, because is to big compared to the tube of the frame. If you are planning such long trip, then you should install our OpenSource source firmware that improves the motor efficiency and so you can use a smaller battery or have more range with the same battery.

Also, I would build a custom thin battery and put inside the frame as I bet you do not need all that capacity and weight daily and I would use another extra battery for that long rides only. Also that way I would choose a battery with highest capacity cells, so meaning a smaller and lighter battery for that same capacity you have. In fact I just did what I am saying, as I also did some long trips using an extra battery.

 

[Akita]

Is there a corresponding program for TSDZ2 motor controller v2 as for TSDZ2 motor controller v1
(JavaConfigurator.jar)
Very good program for configuring TSDZ2.
Have seen that new firmware is being worked on
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=79788&sid=bc1ec25b604decedb290d1969a01f6d1&start=8525#p1652433

 

[Elinx]

Is there a corresponding program for TSDZ2 motor controller v2 ...(JavaConfigurator.jar)
...
Have seen that new firmware is being worked ...

Development of v2 has just started and it is not yet known, if that is even possible, when there may be a working version.
All FW versions for v1 have the same origin, so does the java version for stock displays too.
The development of such a version will therefore take even longer.
So you have to be very patient or willing to contribute with programming.

 

[Akita]

Is there a corresponding program for TSDZ2 motor controller v2 ...(JavaConfigurator.jar)
...
Have seen that new firmware is being worked ...

Development of v2 has just started and it is not yet known, if that is even possible, when there may be a working version.
All FW versions for v1 have the same origin, so does the java version for stock displays too.
The development of such a version will therefore take even longer.
So you have to be very patient or willing to contribute with programming.

It would be good if there was a thread where only the development of now software for TSDZ2 motor controller v2 is available so I do not have to look for information.

 

[Waynemarlow]

It would be good if there was a thread where only the development of now software for TSDZ2 motor controller v2 is available so I do not have to look for information.

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=111287

 

[Akita]

It would be good if there was a thread where only the development of now software for TSDZ2 motor controller v2 is available so I do not have to look for information.

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=111287

Thanks!
Exactly what I was looking for.

 

[Elinx]

......a thread where only the development of now software for TSDZ2 motor controller v2 is available so I do not have to look for information.

.....
Exactly what I was looking for.

I don't want to be rude, but are you reading the complete answers you get?
Because again I linked earlier to V2 FW development here, when I answered you.
Again you have missed that, I think.

 

[Akita]

......a thread where only the development of now software for TSDZ2 motor controller v2 is available so I do not have to look for information.

.....
Exactly what I was looking for.

I don't want to be rude, but are you reading the complete answers you get?
Because again I linked earlier to V2 FW development here, when I answered you.
Again you have missed that, I think.

Thanks!

 

[Akita]

Tested my new TSDZ2 v2 36v (coaster brake) to the store.
about 10 km. Everything seemed OK.
When I was going home, the display showed 5 bars out of 6 for the battery. No help from the engine. When I got home, I measured the battery voltage to 39 volts.
What could be the cause?

 

[Elinx]

Tested my new TSDZ2 v2 36v ... the display showed 5 bars out of 6 for the battery. No help from the engine.....

No help of the engine? How do you test the tsdz2? :wink:
36V is just a nominal Voltage for calculating (sort of average value)
A just fully charged 36V battery in good condition measures 42V and can be drained to about 30V.
If you start the display, the controller started too, so you battery will drain. How much depends again of the condition of it.
More important is the distance, you can go with a full charge and helping engine.

 

[Akita]

Tested my new TSDZ2 v2 36v ... the display showed 5 bars out of 6 for the battery. No help from the engine.....

No help of the engine? How do you test the tsdz2?
36V is just a nominal Voltage for calculating (sort of average value)
A just fully charged 36V battery in good condition measures 42V and can be drained to about 30V.
If you start the display, the controller started too, so you battery draines also. How much depends again of the condition of it.
More important is the distance, you can go with a full charge and working engine.

I have a hill and there were no problems to the store.
Felt directly in the pedals that the engine helped.
Tried ECO, TOUR, SPEED and TURBO.
Felt it was different.
On the return trip also a hill but without the help of the motor.
The display shows completely OK on both occasions.
5 bars when I cycled to the store and 5 at home.
Tried ECO, TOUR, SPEED and TURBO.
No difference, Same as OFF.

 

[Elinx]

.....
....On the return trip also a hill but without the help of the motor.
.. Tried ECO, TOUR, SPEED and TURBO.
No difference, Same as OFF.

What was the speed you are going downhill?
max speed of the v2 controller is 25km/h
Above this the engine give no help anymore.

 

[Akita]

.....
....On the return trip also a hill but without the help of the motor.
.. Tried ECO, TOUR, SPEED and TURBO.
No difference, Same as OFF.

What was the speed you are going downhill?
max speed of the v2 controller is 25km/h
Above this the engine give no help anymore.

A short hill down and then on level ground.
No help on level ground home but to the store.
Then a small hill at the end of the journey. No help.
Never cycled over 25 km / h