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lets see what a community of people that love ebikes have to say
Link said:Well...I wish it was that simple.
I'd like to see more progress being made in EVs, but I don't want to see it done by way of a stick (unaffordable gasoline) as opposed to a carrot (cheaper, more efficient). It puts the wrong idea into the heads of the masses. "Oh, I had to get an electric car because I couldn't afford gas." vs. "EVs FTW!"
I just dont believe our society cant figure this out. Its just petroleum-- give it up; Its the mobility you want and the lifestyle, not the darn oil!
dallasfoto said:At a party last night, in Dallas, I heard someone say that "whew gas is dropping again...I think I will get that Escalade afterall." A mere twenty five cent drop down from 4 dollars had this asshole thinking already about a big new car.
Until gasoline hits 25 bucks a gallon, American drivers will continue to drive Kaiser tanks down the corner to buy a gallon of milk.
justin_le said:Link said:Well...I wish it was that simple.
I'd like to see more progress being made in EVs, but I don't want to see it done by way of a stick (unaffordable gasoline) as opposed to a carrot (cheaper, more efficient). It puts the wrong idea into the heads of the masses. "Oh, I had to get an electric car because I couldn't afford gas." vs. "EVs FTW!"
I'm a massive fan of the stick. If that's what it takes for our lazy-ass society to finally change, then so be it.
-Justin
Yeah, what is everyone rich in here or something. I know what the real reason is, you have stock or an ev business or no car. Thats why you want higher gas prices. Its all about money as usual.nutsandvolts said:If you wish for the price of fuel to rise, you're also wishing for increase in price of food and just about everything else. Tremendous amounts of fuel are used for food production and delivery. Perhaps that's the problem, but the methodology isn't about to change.
nutsandvolts said:If you wish for the price of fuel to rise, you're also wishing for increase in price of food and just about everything else. Tremendous amounts of fuel are used for food production and delivery. Perhaps that's the problem, but the methodology isn't about to change.
paultrafalgar said:I read a Polish website concerning biodiesel where they said that one hectare of biodiesel cultivation allowed fuelling of tractors etc to cultivate 6 hectares of land.
Now of course Denmark is a much smaller country than the US and Canada. There's no denying that high energy prices are hurting a lot of Americans, especially those not so well off. Continued high energy prices will force a lot of gut-wrenching changes, development of public transit in the suburbs, and increases in telecommuting, etc. I do worry that if we (the US) continue to take the easy way out of the energy challenge, we'll fall more and more behind the rest of the world in the race to alternative energy sources.Unlike America, Denmark, which was so badly hammered by the 1973 Arab oil embargo that it banned all Sunday driving for a while, responded to that crisis in such a sustained, focused and systematic way that today it is energy independent. (And it didn’t happen by Danish politicians making their people stupid by telling them the solution was simply more offshore drilling.)
What was the trick? To be sure, Denmark is much smaller than us and was lucky to discover some oil in the North Sea. But despite that, Danes imposed on themselves a set of gasoline taxes, CO2 taxes and building-and-appliance efficiency standards that allowed them to grow their economy  while barely growing their energy consumption  and gave birth to a Danish clean-power industry that is one of the most competitive in the world today. Denmark today gets nearly 20 percent of its electricity from wind. America? About 1 percent.
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In 1973, said Hedegaard, “we got 99 percent of our energy from the Middle East. Today it is zero."
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“I have observed that in all other countries, including in America, people are complaining about how prices of [gasoline] are going up,†Denmark’s prime minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, told me. “The cure is not to reduce the price, but, on the contrary, to raise it even higher to break our addiction to oil. We are going to introduce a new tax reform in the direction of even higher taxation on energy and the revenue generated on that will be used to cut taxes on personal income  so we will improve incentives to work and improve incentives to save energy and develop renewable energy.â€Â
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“We’ve had 35 new competitors (in wind turbines) coming out of China in the last 18 months,†said Engel, “and not one out of the U.S.â€Â
on the surface this idea seems reasonoable, however in reality it's very difficult or impossible to implement. Too much of what we use and need comes from areas separated by hundreds or even thousands of miles. I travel the country often, and it's clear that there are huge differences in the products produced around this nation. For instance, in Indiana, you have steel mills which produce steel for the many industries including the auto industry. Then south of that millions and millions of acres of corn. Gettting that corn to major cities requires trucking and moving the steel to where it's used also requires trucking. Move a bit to the south east and you find prime conditions for growing citrus which must be moved to locations all around the nation. Come over here to Texas and you find vast plains supporting millions of cattle which feed the nation, all which must be shipped, likewise all around the nation.As far as the "gas trucks are essential" debate goes, part of the answer is better logistics: it's illogical to buy a widget from Alberquerque if you live in NY and they can be made in NY; if that is going on then fuel isn't expensive enough to force more local manufacture. Long distance hauling should be by electric railway(railroad).