Qulbix Raptor ebike + frame kit

[Mammalian04]

Hey ecruz - what email address are you using to tic tac with Adaptto? I used to use Andrey's email but he seems to have fallen off the map a wee bit... What address is Svyatoslav responding to? PM me if required...

I have also sent an email to "sales@adaptto.ru" requesting ordering instructions but have not received a response. If anyone is able to order, can you tell me what you had to send to them?

...oops, I guess I should post this in the MaxE thread. Sorry guys!

 

[ecruz]

Hey ecruz - what email address are you using to tic tac with Adaptto? I used to use Andrey's email but he seems to have fallen off the map a wee bit... What address is Svyatoslav responding to? PM me if required...

I have also sent an email to "sales@adaptto.ru" requesting ordering instructions but have not received a response. If anyone is able to order, can you tell me what you had to send to them?

...oops, I guess I should post this in the MaxE thread. Sorry guys!

I just PM them of the thread. But like you guys I haven't heard back in a while. I have emailed them today.

 

[Rix]

Yeah I have thought about that too. But living in a 60 story bldg. A careless fire is not an option, even smoke with sprinkler would be terrible. Besides as most people say torque to go is what we mainly want I doubt I will ever go 50mph for any real distance. I will probably cruise between 20mph and 40mph on most commutes.

No arguments there Cruz, a fire alarm activation in an apartment would suck worse then bag full of wet mice.

 

[ridethelightning]

lipo is still the ultimate for hi performance it seems, but liion is getting petty damn good for most of the time.

im hoping the new dual carbon battery tech makes lithium look old-school!
http://www.caradvice.com.au/287241/dual-carbon-battery-promises-quick-recharging-longer-range-improved-safety/

 

[marcn]

I thought I had decided on the RC4 rear shock, but now I'm tossing up if I should get the Cane Creek Double Barrel. Rick, you mentioned previously you loved this shock on a high speed low speed circuit. Was this on an electric bike?

I'll either go RC4 or the CC. I had a look at the Marzoochi Moto C2R but there's no real reviews on them..

Looking at all of them in 10.5x3.5.

 

[ecruz]

I have both shocks and used them on DH bikes, The fox RC4 is setup and forget kind of thing. The Cane Creek is better in the sense that has many fine adjustments total of 4 not counting spring adjustments, so it takes tuning to get it right like you want it. Another thing it is a work of art looks wise.

 

[ecruz]

im hoping the new dual carbon battery tech makes lithium look old-school!
http://www.caradvice.com.au/287241/dual-carbon-battery-promises-quick-recharging-longer-range-improved-safety/[/quote]


Thanks for that link, interesting reading!!!! I hope they don't get swallowed and stored in the fortune 500 vaults of brilliant ideas.

 

[Rix]

im hoping the new dual carbon battery tech makes lithium look old-school!
http://www.caradvice.com.au/287241/dual-carbon-battery-promises-quick-recharging-longer-range-improved-safety/

Thanks for that link, interesting reading!!!! I hope they don't get swallowed and stored in the fortune 500 vaults of brilliant ideas.

[/quote]

Very interesting indeed, I wonder what the Volt and C rate will be for these cells from Power Japan Plus ?

 

[ridethelightning]

yes. i hope they dont get bought and bulldozed into the ground by some multinational oil co. too

but their secret is out and id be suprised if the bastards can squash this one.

 

[hydro-one]

fire alarm activation? i think one could perish in a lipo fire if the apartment was small enough and you were asleep or whatnot -- you will only get a few breaths of that smoke before u go down. oh yeah, and you wont be able to see anything in about 3 seconds after it starts

 

[marcn]

I have both shocks and used them on DH bikes, The fox RC4 is setup and forget kind of thing. The Cane Creek is better in the sense that has many fine adjustments total of 4 not counting spring adjustments, so it takes tuning to get it right like you want it. Another thing it is a work of art looks wise.

How do they compare in rebound with a lot of unsuspended mass?

 

[Rix]

fire alarm activation? i think one could perish in a lipo fire if the apartment was small enough and you were asleep or whatnot -- you will only get a few breaths of that smoke before u go down. oh yeah, and you wont be able to see anything in about 3 seconds after it starts

What I meant was a fire alarm activation in an apartment complex in general, (not lipo specifically ) would cause problems for the renter even if the place didn't burn down. Totally agree with you that a lipo fire could be the death of an enthusiast just from smoke inhalation. There are a few videos on the net of over charging little 6s 5ah packs to thermo breakdown and look at the flash from that, imagine what a 20s 15ah pack would do

 

[Merlin]

imagine what happen throwing matches in a few buckets of gasoline standing in your appartement. :wink:

...the problem is: lithium polymer cells have a few requirements in using them.
people dont respect them because they want to use this akkus for something they r not build for.
and as this not enough, they give a shit of the rules using them and charge it how they like or it is the easier way.
(sure we all know..iam talking about bulk charging)

iam with lipos from scratch in the early 90th.

i am NEVER see/heard/know about ONE Lipo Fire that was not a "Human fail"
read aloooooooooot of stories...and most of the time they dont really know "it" why it happens.

and WHEN it happens.....it happens also that a plane crashes, a tesla burns and some die in their bathroom because of a wet floor.

respect the rules, know what your doing and you will be safe as possible using lipos.

....

most people dont smoke on a gas station. why?.....because they know it is not a good idea.
(Accus) Batterys is for the people they had in their remote controls.
"this little things cant do some bad stuff"....and why give a ES Member a shit of all what he read about bulkcharging? .....let me know...because i dont know

I KNOW VERY WELL it can be the PITA of Charging lipos. but YOU CAN build some charing wires that you have only to plug 2 (TWO!!!) Connectors and click the Start button on your charger.
Is that too much work for cheap, high power batterys? :wink:

 

[Rix]

i am NEVER see/heard/know about ONE Lipo Fire that was not a "Human fail"
read aloooooooooot of stories...and most of the time they dont really know "it" why it happens.

This is true Merlin, I have never seen a lipo fire that wasn't human error in some way. I have only seen one lipo fire in real life, and it wasn't from ebikes. About 10 or so years ago, I was out with my dad who had me on a tethered transmitter teaching me to fly fixed wing aircraft at the BARCS RC air field in Boise Idaho. Another pilot was flying a big electric (1/5 scale Cessna I think) and crashed. About 20 seconds or so after crashing, the fuselage burst into flames. Several people got the fire out with extinguishers. But the brush was dry and had there been some wind, might of been a different story. At that time, I didn't know crap about lipos, but now looking back, I know what happened, one of the cells was compromised from impact and being that the crashed occurred just after take off, probably a full charge or close to it. That guy was also running a tethered trainer and let the trainee have the controls too soon. My dad said that's why he always waits until the plane is at least "3 Mistakes High" before he turns the controls over to a new rc trainee pilot. I thought that saying was kind of funny.

Rick

 

[Merlin]

Let the Battery be a Battery.......Back to Building the Raptor :?

Today Motor arrived.
Looks good....

but...

The Freewheel Side has 17mm threads.
a single speed has only 10-11mm threads.
a 9th freewheel has 10-11mm threads too....

so 5mm left.

and from the washers delivered with the cro i need 50% more of them to fill the gap on Disc Side....
The Single Speed dont fit at this time without spread the 165mm dropout. (because Freewheel threads from Motor is to long)

no iam driving in a diy market and search about washers.

 

[Rix]

Let the Battery be a Battery.......Back to Building the Raptor :?

Today Motor arrived.
Looks good....

but...

The Freewheel Side has 17mm threads.
a single speed has only 10-11mm threads.
a 9th freewheel has 10-11mm threads too....

so 5mm left.

and from the washers delivered with the cro i need 50% more of them to fill the gap on Disc Side....
The Single Speed dont fit at this time without spread the 165mm dropout. (because Freewheel threads from Motor is to long)

no iam driving in a diy market and search about washers.


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As the French say, Tuche'. So on the drive side you said you have 5mm left, is that between the freewheel and swingarm dropout? If thats the case, how much thread you have left on the axle for the axle nut to screw on to?

 

[Merlin]

nope. sry. here is a pic.

the single speed has 7/8mm left through the Motor Cover.

 

[Merlin]

on the first pic you can see theres just 1mm left for the disc.
on the 2nd pic you can see theres not enough room for the single speed when it has 7mm space left through motorcover.

 

[Hyena]

You just need another few washers or spacer on the freewheel side so the dropout tightens against that rather than the excess threads on the freewheel mount.
1mm on the disc side is cutting it close but as long as the caliper lines up then it's fine. I have had multiple bikes with big disc brakes that only have ~1mm of clearance from the forks or rear stays.

 

[kudos]

Search for casette spacer on eBay.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Splined-HG-Cassette-Sprocket-Spacer-Alloy-FIXED-singlespeed-conversion-HUB-GEAR-/191174456614?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&var=&hash=item2c82e2b526

You can get 2mm, 3mm, 4mm, 4.5mm etc

Kudos

 

[Merlin]

You just need another few washers or spacer on the freewheel side so the dropout tightens against that rather than the excess threads on the freewheel mount.
1mm on the disc side is cutting it close but as long as the caliper lines up then it's fine. I have had multiple bikes with big disc brakes that only have ~1mm of clearance from the forks or rear stays.

the washers are not the Problem. When i let the Freewheel in this position (it is fully tighten) i had to spread the dropout a few mm to fit the Motor.
Yes thats what i can do..but i have a 165mm dropout and i dont like to spread it because of a "to long freewheel thread on motor side"

Spreading dropouts i have done on all my bikes, and sometimes it is a pita to change a tire. i dont want spread nothing more except of my gf legs

a buddy of me made some new washers and shortens the 8mm Disc-side adapter 3mm of. now i will try how it fits now.

 

[Offroader]

Merlin, I'm am kind of confused about the problem you are having. Why would you have to spread the dropouts?

You can easily fit a single speed freewheel and rotor without spreading the dropouts.

 

[Merlin]

Did you See my pictures?

Look on the freewheel side.... Theres enough space for the Single speed right?
But unfortunaly the Single speed cant use the complete
Threads of the motor-freewheel-thread

3/4mm i have to spread the dropout in this "combination"

Iam still on the way to shorten some Aluminium and Steel

 

[Offroader]

Did you See my pictures?

Look on the freewheel side.... Theres enough space for the Single speed right?
But unfortunaly the Single speed cant use the complete
Threads of the motor-freewheel-thread

3/4mm i have to spread the dropout in this "combination"

Iam still on the way to shorten some Aluminium and Steel

I don't understand why the threads matter, I took some pics of my spacing. I have a Dicta Freewheel which happens to come exactly to the end of the threads.

But the threads don't matter, what matter is that you place the washer on that round piece that is under the threads and that sticks out past the threads. I marked this piece with the red arrow and the letters "cro". You can see this "cro" piece sticks out past the threads and then I put my washers on this.

Why would it matter if your freewheel doesn't go past the threads? You don't even need to put a freewheel on the bike at all, it wouldn't matter?

 

[Rix]

The reason I asked about thread spacing on the outside of the drop out was that a guy on the Phasor thread spread his swingarm out to 165mm. He commented how he didn't like the amount of axle thread left for the axle nut. Looking at your pic, doens't seem like an issue. I wonder if the Cromo V1 has a different lenght axle than V2 and V3?