I’m thinking that any 18650’s that will be released in the next 3 years, if not longer, are already in development. Every company has a pretty good idea of what‘s going on in all the others. It’s just what each decides to actually do in response based on their abilities, target customers, and budget. It will be verrrrry interesting to see how it goes though! 18650 releases were few and far between for quite a while (making me think a flood from everyone is imminent).EVE 30PL might be available as early as Q1 this year... wonder if this will kick off even more development in the 18650 space.
In response? No.Do you think will be a EVE 30PL in response to the JP30 from Ampace???
Probably not. There has been less overall focus on 18650 cells in general.Do you think will be a EVE 30PL in response to the JP30 from Ampace???
EVE 30PL Q1 2025. Not sure about Ampace. Tenpower was also targeting Q1/Q2 for a range of tabless 18650s.
There is large demand from the power tool market for high power 18650s.
Definitely wouldn't be surprised either since they've been doing a lot with Si anodes.. I think right now Amprius has a 4000mAh 18650 that can do 20A pulse discharge. 3500mAh I've seen on roadmaps for other manufacturers but they're far from commercialization.However, I wouldn't be surprised if Molicel of all people would blindside all other manufacturers with a 3500-4000mAh high power 18650 cell.
someone tested a tool battery with it, it's just a glorified 4ah 10a cont cell like that vapcell, nothing special. high IR etcDefinitely wouldn't be surprised either since they've been doing a lot with Si anodes.. I think right now Amprius has a 4000mAh 18650 that can do 20A pulse discharge. 3500mAh I've seen on roadmaps for other manufacturers but they're far from commercialization.
The SA10 4Ah 18650 has a 12A cont/20A pulse rating but, yea, the AC IR is 25mΩ (max)…pretty high. Actual cycle life test results will be interesting to see…some day.someone tested a tool battery with it, it's just a glorified 4ah 10a cont cell like that vapcell, nothing special. high IR etc
The SA10 4Ah 18650 has a 12A cont/20A pulse rating but, yea, the AC IR is 25mΩ (max)…pretty high. Actual cycle life test results will be interesting to see…some day.
I looked around and couldn’t find that power tool test…do you remember where you saw it?
Ok so yes, they are from the new 18V+ pack and bosch heavily markets them as tabless, you can see their material here:
that's a pretty serious copper busbar! especially in comparison to the milwaukee/dewalts pre-tabless.I received the pack (partially disassembled) with those mystery cells and it’s the standard cell 18V pack, not the tabless cell 18V+ pack. I suspect that these cells will indeed be regular Molicel P42A’s but I’ll be able to test them this weekend.
Very interesting, a bit disappointing but also raises some questions. Like why it performed a bit better than standard 8ah packs from others with 40T cells, why don't they market it as 4.2Ah (at least on the label) and why did they think it was a plus pack, maybe some marketing shenanigans. Also Bosch previously also used 40T cells in 8ah packs, why did they change them.
Thank you…awesome.What do you guys think of me?The Molicel P42A is a textbook example of why it is advisable to measure parameters not only for the first cycle.
Which spot welder and what thickness/ width CU strips? Did you use flux?(I am using welded CU strips, but some thicker Ni will be also fine)