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VESC for Bafang M560
- Thread starter TPEHAK
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Tomblarom
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Your excellent work aside, how are you still missing the point? People that see this, think it's a real product from "VESC Labs". This picture is clearly not for fun. It seems as that you are deliberately seeking revenge and provoking people. And what is this obsession you have with ‘Benjamin Vedder’, whom you feel compelled to mention in every post? You are not a part of VESC Labs and not listed as an official staff member.
Given all of that, why do you still dare to use their logos and not set things right? From your point of view, there is nothing that could be defended. Ignorance and stubbornness are currently running rampant. At this point, you are doing more harm than good. It's a shame that the project may come to an end here.
TPEHAK
Regular
Benjamin Vedder is the only one who has the right to demand something here because of he is the only owner. I know for sure Benjamin Vedder sticks to the idea of collaboration which VESC Labs is all about and this controller exists because of collaboration. I know for sure Benjamin Vedder did not say anything against the pictures with VESC logo I posted in the Interned, he saw those pictures.
What it looks like is someone tries to act against it behind his back and demands something Benjamin Vedder couldn't care less.
Let's see if Benjamin Vedder really wants it. Those pictures helps to bring people here and those people can help to resolve the issues with the VESC firmware for this controller.
The forum administration is dedicated to terminate this tread so I guess Benjamin Vedder is the only one who can save us.
What it looks like is someone tries to act against it behind his back and demands something Benjamin Vedder couldn't care less.
Let's see if Benjamin Vedder really wants it. Those pictures helps to bring people here and those people can help to resolve the issues with the VESC firmware for this controller.
The forum administration is dedicated to terminate this tread so I guess Benjamin Vedder is the only one who can save us.
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Nix Liou
Regular
Who can save you*
We will all be fine lol
TPEHAK
Regular
Sure. Benjamin Vedder is the only one who has the authority to stop any speculations here.
Let me put it straight guys. Without recognizable logo attracts people, without those pictures, without entertainment here it is going to be another Mumbo Jumbo boring generic plain tread no one cares about. stancecoke already got tired giving us hints and he is not going to participate in this anymore. We need to bring fresh blood here, we need to get people excited about it, we need to build community around VESC Labs and they may help us to figure out the firmware for this controller. That's how it works.
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stancecoke
Minor legend
Yes, I was willing to help you until the point you started disregarding the VESC copyright. It's strange, that you think misusing the VESC logo will motivate anyone of the VESC community to help you.
It remembers a little to the legendary "Jehova" scene from "Live of Brian"
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TPEHAK
Regular
Trust me, it does attract people and does make them interested in the projects and willing to help. Of cause not any single one, but most. It works way better with VESC logo and VESC recognizable things. This is how human brain works - it clicks with recognizable objects, grabs their attention, makes them spend a little bit more time on the topic and get them starting involving.
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stancecoke
Minor legend
I often complain about the stubborn VESC community, which has no interest in bicycle applications because they come from the world of scooters and skateboards. I don't really care, I can help myself and prefer Lishui controllers anyway.
I'm curious to see your solution. I assume that you respect the open source rules and will publish the code for your project, if you manage to do it with whatever help you get.
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TPEHAK
Regular
Sure, everything we will be able to get done will be published, KiCAD files, firmware, CAD files, all of it.
What we really hope here is Benjamin Vedder will clarify his demand if there is any before we will be burred. What I am sure is Benjamin Vedder has different vision and when he will come here he will agree with me and he will give this thread 100% badass seal approval without asking to change a thing so we can keep working. And maybe it will change your mind, who knows.
The secret of of such VESC success is Benjamin Vedder has completely different vision, he is not like most of those folks who work with him (those folks have more like corporate greed set of mind, even it might seems different on the first glance), Benjamin Vedder is special. The VESC guys want to make it looks like we are trying to cut their revenue or harm them, Benjamin Vedder sees it like getting people involved in VESC world. But again, we do not know for sure yet what Benjaming Vedder is really up to until he will explain.
What we really hope here is Benjamin Vedder will clarify his demand if there is any before we will be burred. What I am sure is Benjamin Vedder has different vision and when he will come here he will agree with me and he will give this thread 100% badass seal approval without asking to change a thing so we can keep working. And maybe it will change your mind, who knows.
The secret of of such VESC success is Benjamin Vedder has completely different vision, he is not like most of those folks who work with him (those folks have more like corporate greed set of mind, even it might seems different on the first glance), Benjamin Vedder is special. The VESC guys want to make it looks like we are trying to cut their revenue or harm them, Benjamin Vedder sees it like getting people involved in VESC world. But again, we do not know for sure yet what Benjaming Vedder is really up to until he will explain.
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Here you go:
From Benjamin
Hello, I am Benjamin Vedder, the founder of VESC project, the VESC Labs team and the holder
of the VESC trademark. I’m happy to see your enthusiasm for being a part of the VESC-Project
and designing interesting new VESC-based hardware. Unfortunately using the VESC logo in
this way is against the VESC labs trademark policy which you can read here:
Trademark Policies | VESC Project. The main distinction is that you should only use
text referring to the design being vesc-based or vesc-compatible while the VESC logo itself is
reserved for products and projects associated with the trademark owners endeavors. Since you
are not working with Benjamin Vedder or VESC Labs to develop this controller we kindly ask
that you remove the VESC logo from this design and create your own branding or logo to mark
your creations. This will help avoid confusion in the community and let your team build their own
unique reputation for the products developed moving forward. Thanks so much for your
attention on this and we look forward to your cooperation and involvement in the VESC project.
Hopefully this communication is sufficient to enact change to comply with this policy as we
prefer not to waste further effort and resources on both our sides resolving this matter. Let us
know if you have any questions.
From Benjamin
Hello, I am Benjamin Vedder, the founder of VESC project, the VESC Labs team and the holder
of the VESC trademark. I’m happy to see your enthusiasm for being a part of the VESC-Project
and designing interesting new VESC-based hardware. Unfortunately using the VESC logo in
this way is against the VESC labs trademark policy which you can read here:
Trademark Policies | VESC Project. The main distinction is that you should only use
text referring to the design being vesc-based or vesc-compatible while the VESC logo itself is
reserved for products and projects associated with the trademark owners endeavors. Since you
are not working with Benjamin Vedder or VESC Labs to develop this controller we kindly ask
that you remove the VESC logo from this design and create your own branding or logo to mark
your creations. This will help avoid confusion in the community and let your team build their own
unique reputation for the products developed moving forward. Thanks so much for your
attention on this and we look forward to your cooperation and involvement in the VESC project.
Hopefully this communication is sufficient to enact change to comply with this policy as we
prefer not to waste further effort and resources on both our sides resolving this matter. Let us
know if you have any questions.
TPEHAK
Regular
Of course I have questions. But if this is the way he is going to communicate, through the forum administration, that is going to be a nightmare.
Anyway, he is the boss.
So my recommendation is if anyone is interested in it is to download the files and keep them maybe you or someone else will figure out the firmware for the torque sensor.
Secondly. I have no desire to spend my time massacring my boy, this thread is too infected with VESC stuff. I also have no desire to harm this forum. So my recommendation to the forum administration is to terminate this thread (maybe give some time to the people who is interested in it to read, to figure out the situation and to make their decision).
It all ends here guys, sorry, I tried.
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If i could get a member of the moderator team to do the unfortunate censorship, and split the entire discussion of the trademark problem into another thread, effectively resetting it..
Would you be willing to continue the thread?
Because i think a number of people here appreciate your work.
Would you be willing to continue the thread?
Because i think a number of people here appreciate your work.
TPEHAK
Regular
Sure, do what you think is the best. It is free for everyone and anyone can do with it whatever they want. I have no control over it.
Nix Liou
Regular
But like... you could have prevented all this... you are not a victim.....
TPEHAK
Regular
Prevented what? The Benjamin Vedder demands? I can not control his mind.
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
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Nix Liou
Regular
Yes, by not infringing on copyright. But you also could have done as asked and removed it, if it was simply an honest mistake
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Sounds like a good compromise.
TPEHAK
Regular
There is no infringing on copyright. There is no mistake.Yes, by not infringing on copyright. But you also could have done as asked and removed it, if it was simply an honest mistake
Waynemarlow
Regular
Sometime you just have to accept that things can go against you in strange ways, no point in worrying about something as simple as a logo after all you now have permission to use "VESC-Bafang" which should give you a bigger search engine direct result than simply VESC.
Keep at it, there are an awful lot of people like myself who have been following this thread but not enough computer skills to be able to contribute. Thanks for you time so far.
Keep at it, there are an awful lot of people like myself who have been following this thread but not enough computer skills to be able to contribute. Thanks for you time so far.
Nix Liou
Regular
My bad, trademark infringement lmao
Nix Liou
Regular
Does he? I feel like Bafang wouldn't be a big fan of that...
Waynemarlow
Regular
Probably, I have to admit that trademarks do annoy me but having been part of a development of a consumer item, do all the hard graft of the design, market establishment, certification and getting people interested in a new concept, only to watch the copycats cream all the money off, then trademarks do serve a limited purpose.
Nix Liou
Regular
I mean in this case, it's so that someone else can't name themselves your exact name and pretend they are you... Bafang, VESC Labs, etc are all recognizable brand names, and just copying them is definitely shady. Brand names aren't important if you have a good product imo. I would be more interested in this project if the logo said TPEHAK Labs, and it was just an open source vesc controller...
TPEHAK
Regular
And there is no trademark infringement either.
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