casainho
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I also gained weight due to the lockdown and I am now on pre diabetes -- luckily I can run and it is very good to loose fat. And doing cycling on EBike for recovery on the days after the runs, it is a very good complement.jeff.page.rides said:I watch human watts and motor watts all the time, my average watts on a flat ride is between 30 and 100 human watts, the highest I can make or pedal is 200 Watts for a very short amount of time, the highest motor watts I see is 850. That's why on a handcycle if you're not Mr. Muscle you need such high settings to enjoy the ride. My handcycle with 3 batteries on it so that I can ride over 100 miles at one time, wieghts 100 pounds and after the China virus I gained 30 pounds so I weigh 190 now plus my backpack full of water and tools. So I'm asking the TSDZ2 to move 300 pounds at high speeds and up and down Hills. And that's the reason I started looking into liquid cooling, just too much to ask from a TSDZ2. I love the torque sensor and the OSF on these Motors and that's why I'm sticking with it and just making things work. They are also so much smaller & lighter than the Bafang's. The weight of the bafang isn't any more compared to what all my cooling system adds probably pretty close.casainho said:That is totally correct!!ilu said:Assist levels and their factors are not directly comparable between different bikes, especially if you haven't calibrated the torque sensor. Without calibration they depend on individual torque sensor readings which we know to differ wildly between motors. After calibration the gear ratio and wheel size also affect how the motor output is related to actually riding the bike. I have noticed that after calibration, for me there's no point to go higher than ~0.600 assist factor as beyond that I'm kind of only losing sensitivity of the torque control but not getting any more power out of the motor.
The correct way to compare between users is first calibrate the torque sensor and then see how much human power the rider provides on the pedals!! I can provide between 100 to 300 watts of human power and at assist level of 8 (0.049 factor), the motor will use 15 amps -- 300 * 0.049 = 14.7 amps. At startups I can provide like 600 watts or more of human power.
As a matter of comparison, I am being start running and on last 12 kms, my average human power calculated by my watch is about 175 watts, this values makes sense comparing to the values shown on my 860C display:
My average human power while running:
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See that for 30W of human power, at cadence of 70, the torque sensor must only measure 2.4 kgs and for 100W, it will need to measure 8kgs. I think this are very low values, I don't think the torque sensor has good sensitivity bellow the 10kgs (125watts at 70 cadence) - I would say the torque sensor on TSDZ2 must be cheap and so we should expect only coarse measures. I understand that muscles at arms are like 3 or 4 times smaller than legs muscles and because of this, I do not expect TSDZ2 torque sensor to be good for hand cycles.