Vector bike and frame owners.
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Artur
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Here is a short video about from my last ride: Watch in 1080p 60fps
[youtube]IoPrfYh5Wc4[/youtube]
here you can see my black frame that is around 1.5 year old and has over 10.000 km on it (mostly offroad 70%). The guy who ride the bike is my friend who lives in German Alps, he is around 185cm and 120kg with backpack.
Under the video on youtube you can see link to strava from this ride.
[youtube]IoPrfYh5Wc4[/youtube]
here you can see my black frame that is around 1.5 year old and has over 10.000 km on it (mostly offroad 70%). The guy who ride the bike is my friend who lives in German Alps, he is around 185cm and 120kg with backpack.
Under the video on youtube you can see link to strava from this ride.
dvdrwsor
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I can't seem to find this info anywhere. Is the frame painted or powder coated?
dvdrwsor
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It sure is...
I'm a future owner of a Vector bike. I'll just lurk here for 2-3 months until I get enough money to buy all the parts from you.
I'm a future owner of a Vector bike. I'll just lurk here for 2-3 months until I get enough money to buy all the parts from you.
dvdrwsor
100 mW
I talked to Arthur that I would like to get the battery made from NCRGA cells and since he can't do it at the moment, I'm going to build my own.
I bought 300 cells, and since I don't have the frame yet, any of you guys can help me decide how to build it?
Will it fit in the frame if I split them side by side in 2 packs of 10X15? At the Vector site it shows 2 packs but now it seems there are 5 packs that make the entire battery.
That's all the info that I got from Arthur.
I'm still undecided if I'm going to hot glue them or put them in spacers, because I want to fit the MAX-E in the frame also. At first I thought Arthur's battery is made with spacers, but you can hot glue them in a cube pattern instead of a triangle pattern, so I'm not sure.
I bought 300 cells, and since I don't have the frame yet, any of you guys can help me decide how to build it?
Will it fit in the frame if I split them side by side in 2 packs of 10X15? At the Vector site it shows 2 packs but now it seems there are 5 packs that make the entire battery.
That's all the info that I got from Arthur.
I'm still undecided if I'm going to hot glue them or put them in spacers, because I want to fit the MAX-E in the frame also. At first I thought Arthur's battery is made with spacers, but you can hot glue them in a cube pattern instead of a triangle pattern, so I'm not sure.
dvdrwsor
100 mW
20s15p, like your battery. Why change something that is a proven good design?
litespeed
100 kW
I would do the smaller packs and 4s makes sense since that is what the BMS is wired for. Also if they will fit I'd go spacers. I hot glued my packs and spot welded myself but I've had 2 sells go south. My whole battery was originally made as 3-8s15p and the bad cells were in the middle, go figure. It could happen so I say make it easier to fix if need be.
If you go half way down the bage you can see my packs I built. https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=68521
Good luck what ever you decide.
Tom
If you go half way down the bage you can see my packs I built. https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=68521
Good luck what ever you decide.
Tom
dvdrwsor
100 mW
Tom, thank you for the link and info!
I see the spacers are 20mm X 20mm. Arthur, are your batteries in holders (spacers)? If yours fit with the MAX-E, so should mine.
Anyway, if one cell goes south, them being hot glued seem to be as much of a problem as the holders being laced between the cells and nickel, even more when you use cheaper bigger spacers, like this one.
hot glue : cheaper, less volume BUT labor intensive
spacers: clean look, less work BUT costs more and take more space
I wish someone would tell me they don't fit with spacers in the Vector frame, so I can make up my mind by elimination.
I see the spacers are 20mm X 20mm. Arthur, are your batteries in holders (spacers)? If yours fit with the MAX-E, so should mine.
Anyway, if one cell goes south, them being hot glued seem to be as much of a problem as the holders being laced between the cells and nickel, even more when you use cheaper bigger spacers, like this one.
hot glue : cheaper, less volume BUT labor intensive
spacers: clean look, less work BUT costs more and take more space
I wish someone would tell me they don't fit with spacers in the Vector frame, so I can make up my mind by elimination.
scrambler
10 kW
dvdrwsor said:Tom, thank you for the link and info!
I see the spacers are 20mm X 20mm. Arthur, are your batteries in holders (spacers)? If yours fit with the MAX-E, so should mine.
Anyway, if one cell goes south, them being hot glued seem to be as much of a problem as the holders being laced between the cells and nickel, even more when you use cheaper bigger spacers, like this one.
hot glue : cheaper, less volume BUT labor intensive
spacers: clean look, less work BUT costs more and take more space
I wish someone would tell me they don't fit with spacers in the Vector frame, so I can make up my mind by elimination.
If you can dig up the internal dimensions of the vector frame, and give me the number of cell blocks and their dimensions, I can run some simulation inside Sketchup (3D program) to see if they will fit and in which arrangement.
Below is another good battery building thread.
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=81257
EDIT: I found the internal size of the frame in the thread page below
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=61259&start=1325
In that same page, it also shows that you could eventually get a different set of covers to increase the internal width from 125mm to 160mm (if they are still available)
So what I need from you is the number and size of cell blocks you want to fit in
Artur
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We also can offer spacers (+16mm) or wider side covers (+50mm). So it is not a question about the frame... Just decide what you want
My advise would be to go 4s packs with hot glue. If you have good quality cells (tested before building a pack) than you have nothing to worry about. My 1.5 years old pack (samsung 20R) has over 150 charge cycles, and it is perfectly balanced.
My advise would be to go 4s packs with hot glue. If you have good quality cells (tested before building a pack) than you have nothing to worry about. My 1.5 years old pack (samsung 20R) has over 150 charge cycles, and it is perfectly balanced.
dvdrwsor
100 mW
First, thank you all for your time! I'm really not a fan of the wider covers.
Eyeballing, and knowing that every cell has 20mm now (with spacers) instead of 18mm, I definitely can't fit 5X (4X15).
5X (5X12) might fit, but definitely no room for controller
5X (6X10) definitely fit.
3 laid flat on top of each other on the back side, and 2 standing in the front, but I'm not sure there's room for the Adaptto Max-E (250 X 80 X 40)mm
Also, 6 cells means 120mm . That leaves 5mm for shrink tube, vibration foam and what not, so a very tight fit in width.
300 cells, 5 packs of 4s15p even tho they're in a 6X10 holder.
Eyeballing, and knowing that every cell has 20mm now (with spacers) instead of 18mm, I definitely can't fit 5X (4X15).
5X (5X12) might fit, but definitely no room for controller
5X (6X10) definitely fit.
3 laid flat on top of each other on the back side, and 2 standing in the front, but I'm not sure there's room for the Adaptto Max-E (250 X 80 X 40)mm
Also, 6 cells means 120mm . That leaves 5mm for shrink tube, vibration foam and what not, so a very tight fit in width.
300 cells, 5 packs of 4s15p even tho they're in a 6X10 holder.
teslanv
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scrambler
10 kW
dvdrwsor said:
If you use the spacers, you have 125 +16 =141mm width, which gives you more padding space.
DasDouble
100 kW
Does someone has a picture of these spacers everyone is talking about?
scrambler
10 kW
I made a 6x10 block (4s 15p) with spacer according to your dimensions (120mm x 200mm) and 70mm high (allows 4.8mm space for connector and insulation between blocks).
Then I used the 3D Sketchup file from the thread I referenced, and if its dimensions are correct, it would tightly fit 5 of them, with just enough space for the Adpatto.
Others, with practical experience, can comment if that would leave enough for padding and insulation between components.
Now that I have the basis, I can run other configurations if you like, or generate different views.
High resolution mages here: https://1drv.ms/f/s!At3vMAQjaOZLiGvEPvWAfNiTK-dh
Then I used the 3D Sketchup file from the thread I referenced, and if its dimensions are correct, it would tightly fit 5 of them, with just enough space for the Adpatto.
Others, with practical experience, can comment if that would leave enough for padding and insulation between components.
Now that I have the basis, I can run other configurations if you like, or generate different views.
High resolution mages here: https://1drv.ms/f/s!At3vMAQjaOZLiGvEPvWAfNiTK-dh
dvdrwsor
100 mW
Thank you scrambler! I really do.
If I take cables in consideration it means I can't fit them. That means that I have to choose :
wide covers
external controller
hot glue
I'll think about it... Thank you again!
Arthur, can I have a picture of the wide side covers installed? It seems nobody wants them for some reason. I even see someone struggling to sell his.
If I take cables in consideration it means I can't fit them. That means that I have to choose :
wide covers
external controller
hot glue
I'll think about it... Thank you again!
Arthur, can I have a picture of the wide side covers installed? It seems nobody wants them for some reason. I even see someone struggling to sell his.
dvdrwsor
100 mW
We both posted in the same time. I edit it :"wide side covers".
I can't stop thinking about the gravel thrown by the wheel, rain and dust exposure, crash exposure. After all, it's a $745 piece of equipment.
I can't stop thinking about the gravel thrown by the wheel, rain and dust exposure, crash exposure. After all, it's a $745 piece of equipment.
scrambler
10 kW
dvdrwsor said:
Remember that the controller being 80mm wide, it can probably fit between the square tubing of the frame, so it can probably move up another 20mm.
Once you have the frame, you could test if the spacers and letting the controller move up in between the frame tube would be enough space for cables. if not, you can still then decide to either use the wide covers, or to build the battery blocks by hot gluing cells.
