Yes, have you checked how many rights we have left? NDAA essentially give the president the authority to execute Americans on US soil without a trial and indefinitely detain Americans of being accused of being a terrorist, because people like you are afraid of Iran. War is fodder for Tyranny. 8) 8) 8)RTLSHIP said:Wineboyrider, are you serious? Last time I checked there were 2 revolutions (or civil wars) in N Africa and several more brewing in the Middle East. The political instabilty is much greater out there. All we have is 2-bit Occupy.
I am not trying to put words in anyone's mouth, but for the record the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons in war is the United States. FACT: Iran wants a nuclear weapon, because Israel has hundreds of them which they made from stolen yellow cake and which the rest of the world did nothing about. FACT: We have bases all around Iran and soon we won't be able to afford them anymore. Empires collapse quickly and we still have GOP candidates like Newt Gingrich talking about moon bases.....WTF?RTLSHIP said:I'm not afraid of Iran. You are expansive about what I (and others) print. I would be concerned or afraid about weapons in wrong hands. The current Pres. of Iran is make believe bad.
If you can agree that Iran is not a real problem, then maybe it is just a make believe problem by the media.
wineboyrider said:Glad to hear some ration and reason for a change. That is not, however what we hear from the news media.......?
wineboyrider said:I know I am going to catch hell for saying this, but here goes. I think the Middle East would be safer if Iran had a Nuclear Bomb, because then the deterrent from keeping Israel from attacking them would diminish a great amount. M.A.D.
Good advice Sirius. I would add one caveat to the foreign policy that the founders of the US had and that is that if we are attacked we declare war, kick ass and come home. So in other words trade and commerce with all nations and entangling alliances with none, but that comes with the understanding that if we are attacked we will kick your ass. But, yes the US needs to butt out of the idea of blockading a country (which is an act of war) and just cruise around looking for pirate ships to blow up!sirius said:My opinion .... Iran has never attacked anyone. Perhaps it would be wise not to interfere and stay at home. One thing, the new war will reduce the number of people on Earth. The question is how much? Whose interests are? :?
Israel also attacked us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incidentEvoforce said:We have in the past been attacked by Iran. How soon we forget...
bigmoose said:When I was younger I thought this stuff was real ... now it seems it is all a chess game being played out. We are either bystanders, or manipulated cannon fodder... I honestly don't know what is "real" anymore...
This week the media is starting to parrot that it won't make any difference if there is a US/Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. That Iran will have the bomb soon. Now I find that hard to believe, and a conclusion history appears not to support. You take out the facilities and the experts and the capability is significantly diminished. ... but why the new approach? That needs to be understood.
It was touched on up above, so let me expand. What we are headed towards is nuclear armed sunni and shia muslims. That mixture will eventually go hypergolic. It has been proven unstable over the years. Someone either has to prevent one side from going nuclear, of if one does, now enable the other to counter and contain. More chess, more moves, more intrigue, deceit and wasted potential...
As Rodney King said: "Can't we all just get along...?" It seems the answer is a loud "NO" from just about everyone pushing the chess pieces around.
Yes. Exactly. Worried about the Middle East having nuclear weapons when the only 2 in the ME that have them are Pakistan (a US puppet state like Israel) and Pakistan (also a US puppet state) considering the US has enough nuclear weapons to blow up the whole world....hmmmm?Joseph C. said:bigmoose said:When I was younger I thought this stuff was real ... now it seems it is all a chess game being played out. We are either bystanders, or manipulated cannon fodder... I honestly don't know what is "real" anymore...
This week the media is starting to parrot that it won't make any difference if there is a US/Israeli attack on Iran's nuclear facilities. That Iran will have the bomb soon. Now I find that hard to believe, and a conclusion history appears not to support. You take out the facilities and the experts and the capability is significantly diminished. ... but why the new approach? That needs to be understood.
It was touched on up above, so let me expand. What we are headed towards is nuclear armed sunni and shia muslims. That mixture will eventually go hypergolic. It has been proven unstable over the years. Someone either has to prevent one side from going nuclear, of if one does, now enable the other to counter and contain. More chess, more moves, more intrigue, deceit and wasted potential...
As Rodney King said: "Can't we all just get along...?" It seems the answer is a loud "NO" from just about everyone pushing the chess pieces around.
A nuclear version of Bismarck's alliances. We all know what happened there.
Best not to waste time dwelling on things you can't control as there are only downsides to doing so.
Kingfish said:The best solution is for the people of Iran to rise up and throw those dirt bags presently leading them out into the street for a nasty shave.